Ever find yourself at a crossroads between loyalty and temptation, or caught up pondering the raw power of hip-hop's lyrical battles? This episode isn't just about the music; it's about the stories behind the beats, the cultures clashing within the industry, and the personal anecdotes that resonate with our deepest truths. Tag along as we reminisce on Drake and \Kendrick Lamar's long standing beef.
Navigating the maze of celebrity controversies and legal entanglements, we can't help but ponder the high stakes of fame. From Diddy's latest legal woes to the brewing storm of the Drake and Future rivalry, we're peeling back the curtain on how authenticity and personal choices carve out one's place in the limelight. Delving into civil feuds within hip-hop and the broader implications of industry beef, we stand united, recognizing the strength found in solidarity amidst the roller coaster ride of life's challenges and triumphs.
Closing out with heartfelt discourse, our conversation spans from the complexities of relationships and the crucial act of boundary-setting, to the Madonna-whore complex and the intricacies of building and nurturing a podcast fanbase. It's a journey through the emotional landscapes that shape us, an invitation to join the conversation, and a reminder that through it all, we're here, supporting and learning from one another, episode after vibrant episode.
Ever find yourself at a crossroads between loyalty and temptation, or caught up pondering the raw power of hip-hop's lyrical battles? This episode isn't just about the music; it's about the stories behind the beats, the cultures clashing within the industry, and the personal anecdotes that resonate with our deepest truths. Tag along as we reminisce on Drake and \Kendrick Lamar's long standing beef.
Navigating the maze of celebrity controversies and legal entanglements, we can't help but ponder the high stakes of fame. From Diddy's latest legal woes to the brewing storm of the Drake and Future rivalry, we're peeling back the curtain on how authenticity and personal choices carve out one's place in the limelight. Delving into civil feuds within hip-hop and the broader implications of industry beef, we stand united, recognizing the strength found in solidarity amidst the roller coaster ride of life's challenges and triumphs.
Closing out with heartfelt discourse, our conversation spans from the complexities of relationships and the crucial act of boundary-setting, to the Madonna-whore complex and the intricacies of building and nurturing a podcast fanbase. It's a journey through the emotional landscapes that shape us, an invitation to join the conversation, and a reminder that through it all, we're here, supporting and learning from one another, episode after vibrant episode.
This nigga was shiny. I remember hearing that nigga.
Speaker 2:Oh my God.
Speaker 3:That's what he did.
Speaker 2:We got to cut that out. That's what the nigga did. We have to cut that out. That's what the nigga did, because that didn't sound. You sounded more like a mosquito than anything else. That's what the nigga did.
Speaker 1:When I heard that, I felt like that was buck breeding at the highest order. Literally, it was buck breeding. That's what it felt. Like, kim, that felt like buck breeding.
Speaker 2:You can't even carry the child, no more yourself. So you're going to take your egg and you're going to take his sperm, and then you're going to put it in another human.
Speaker 1:Another, probably black woman.
Speaker 2:Probably just so that you can get like a pretty baby that can run fast Drake was slick I have that in Conscious. He was never conscious. I better find your loving. That was early Drake.
Speaker 1:Marvin Room was conscious.
Speaker 2:That was not.
Speaker 1:Yes, it was. That was not conscious. Marvin Room was conscious.
Speaker 2:Cubs hood at Rose.
Speaker 1:I watch their show still Every Thursday.
Speaker 2:They were fucking dumb.
Speaker 1:I like dumb women.
Speaker 2:Kris Jenner is the smartest out of the bunch.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't like her that much. I like dumb women so they my favorite.
Speaker 2:Are you calling me dumb?
Speaker 1:I didn't say that, but I'm saying with Bridget, if you were supposed to be an owner and the one thing they asked you to do was upload and you talking about, you can't even upload.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's bullshit. That's bullshit. You're literally like what? What was the?
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Speaker 1:We're back here. We're back at it. Yep. Been another interesting week.
Speaker 2:It's been very eventful.
Speaker 1:That's the thing about being a podcast. Like one week you're sitting here saying, man, it hasn't been that eventful. We said a lot of seeds were being planted, and then you wake up the next week and then it's all there. Yeah. It's all right in your face. And about it being all right in your face, man, I had an interesting little experience at the gas station this week, man.
Speaker 3:Oh man, it made me feel.
Speaker 1:It made me feel for a lot of these brothers out here man that be going through it, so like. I went up there. Just, you know, I went to my routine just to get me a little lunch or whatever, and there was a little girl there. You know what I'm saying. She walked by me. I guess she was trying to get my attention. She worked there. Not a little girl, a grown woman yeah, I didn't say a little girl, I said it was a girl there.
Speaker 2:You said a little girl. I said a little girl in my back it was a girl Go ahead baby.
Speaker 1:She walked by me and she tried to get my attention or whatever. Now I'm ignoring it, though I'm keeping going.
Speaker 2:As you should.
Speaker 1:And I go and go grab my food that I'm trying to get and then I hear keys fall. She goes to pick up right in my line of sight. Again, I'm fighting. That's right, bitch, Pick up your own keys.
Speaker 2:I got the blinders. I'm fighting. That's right, bitch, pick up your own keys.
Speaker 1:I got the blinders, I'm going. It just so happened my peripheries were there, but I seen what was going on. Then it got a little more awkward. So I go into line and it just so happens when I get in the line she walks right by me. Seems like she again was trying to get my attention, but again blinders, peaky blinders. But then I go get my sandwich. It takes a little time for me to get it, so I'm thinking this girl's long gone. It wasn't until I walked out the door and then she pulls out like she was trying to give me another opportunity and then drove off, almost had caused a car accident.
Speaker 1:It was insane bitch I ran home and told you, though, didn't I? You thirsty whore but I just felt for a lot of like these brothers out here who just can't resist temptation, like myself, and it's just. I can see it was like a movie. It was in there. It literally all played out like a movie and I'm just sitting there like, oh my goodness, I'm being tested.
Speaker 2:I just assumed she was ugly from the sheer amount of opportunity she gave you, Because if I make eye contact with you once and you don't immediately start speaking to me or like, do something.
Speaker 1:She had her work fit on so maybe she thought she maybe had to throw a little extra little sauce out there, so it wasn't like oh no, you can talk to me at work. I just think that's what it was like. I just be forgetting.
Speaker 2:I'm an attractive guy don't put yourself in her shoes and think what she was thinking.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying I, just I for you forgetting I'm an attractive guy, like I'll be forgetting that I'm sought after sometimes.
Speaker 2:Keep forgetting that, and then moments like that, just like it's a reminder.
Speaker 1:So I just feel bad for these other brothers who, like they can't even fight their own urges, they just jumping right at it.
Speaker 2:I'm glad you were able to be a better man.
Speaker 1:Hey man, it's tough out here. I appreciate you know being appreciated for that.
Speaker 2:And to you, you raggedy bitch. If you see my husband in that store again, you leave him the fuck alone. We getting your ring back. This man immediately lost his ring.
Speaker 1:Don't say the story like that, the first time he went out.
Speaker 2:He lost his ring. It wasn't the first time I went out, it was the first time you went into the office after we got married, you immediately lost his ring.
Speaker 1:It was an accident Happens to the best of us. You go to wash your hands and next thing you know it's gone. People are takers. It's not me, man. I'm a victim in all this.
Speaker 2:I guess child Play the music.
Speaker 7:I lurk it. Come up off that bag for the all this. I guess them Walk around like Prince Cause I got a lot of lady friends Used to being sawed out of sacred city Skating through this album like a Montreal Canadian Way that I ran Shit. You think I was Iranian Niggas see my deal. Look at they dealing Now. They hate the kid. Fuck, let me kick it. Basic niggas ain't got love for the boys, so they fake it. Crack a couple jokes to some bitches on some snake shit, but if I send a verse to their ass then they'll take it. Shoot a video, arm around me like we aces a, pop out out my shows. Jump around with me on stages. Probably why these hoes love to show me what a way to make shit happen.
Speaker 5:I'm a fake it 30 later this year, having the chance to reflect on the last 10, 12 years of your journey up to this point, you know, have you seen success change the framework of what a friend can mean to you? Have you seen that cliche of?
Speaker 8:Like not my real friends in my real life and that's like kind of like you have to be able friends in my real life and that's like kind of like you have to be able to separate your real life and this. I'm very proud of my real life and the character judgment that I've used throughout the years that I've spent on this earth. Nobody really that I've ever considered a true friend has switched up, but these, like you know, these fly-by-night people that you just come across, I mean they're all not to be trusted.
Speaker 3:They're all out of trust. I am the Omega DG Lane Rollie Gang SIE. Don't you address me unless it's with four letters. I thought you know better. I've been ducking the pandemic. I've been social gimmicks. I've been ducking the overnight activist. Yeah, I'm not a trending topic. I'm a Hold on y'all niggas playing with me. Man, I am the Omega DG Lane Rollie Gang, sie. Don't you address me unless it's with. I thought you know better. I've been ducking the pandemic. I've been ducking the social gimmicks. I've been ducking the overnight activists. Yeah, I'm not a trending topic. I'm a prophet.
Speaker 3:I answer to Metatron and Gabrielle Bitch looking for a better me. I am a legacy. I come from the 70s, the all green offspring Guns and the melody, the big shot Wrists on cryotherapy. Soon We'll be right back. Last year y'all fucked up on the listener who went platinum. I called out a visitor. Who the fuck backing them? All been falsified. The facts mean this is a vaccine and the game need me to survive the Elohim, the rebirth. Before you get to the father, you gotta holler at me first. Bitch Smoking on top fives. Motherfucker.
Speaker 9:Big as the Super Bowl, we'll be right back. Thank you, yeah, muhammad Ali, the one that they call when they shit ain't connecting no more. Feel like I got a job in our teeth. Rhyming with me is the biggest mistake. This Spider-Man he miss me. Looking at Drake, it's like we were kids, yo homies to be demon deacons. We got him attending your wake. Ain't how the gang got away from the bars, man, it's shit like a prison escape. Everybody's steppers and everybody breakfast and I'm about to clear my plate. The spot rusher. Spray this whole up.
Speaker 10:The crop duster, not russia, but apply pressure to your cranium codes automatic when aiming them with the boy in the status estate. He didn't get on the video. It wasn't like I wasn't real mad about it, but I just felt like when I first talked to him about it, I told him when you do this, make sure you know what you're doing. This is my baby. This is the first song that I'm doing. This is my single. This is the one that I feel like meaning the most to me, because this is my breakout single, even though Rags I did it and it was it broke my career. It shed light on my career before.
Speaker 10:My breakout single was Tony, so I told him like don't make the picture, don't, don't, don't mess up the picture, don't mess up rap, hip-hop, because they want to see. That's what they want you to do. You know they want you not to be in the video. They want you to do the person when they're coming down to the business. They want to mess up. I don't know. You know what I'm saying. Step in them, balistas, if you like them. Pop another bottle if you like them.
Speaker 3:These niggas talking out of their necks. Don't put no coughing out of your mouth. I'm way too paranoid for threats. Ay, ay, let's get it bro. Bot, the money power. Respect the last one is better. Say yes, a lot of goofies with a check, I mean. Uh, I hope them. Sentiments symbolic, uh, my temperament bipolar, I choose violence. Okay, let's get it up. It's time for you to prove that he's a problem. Niggas clicking up, but cannot be legit. No, 40 water tell yeah, yeah, get up with me. Fuck, sneak this. The first person shooter. I hope they came with three switches. I crash out like fuck, rap this. Melly Mel. If I had to got two T's with me, I'm snatching chains and burning tattoos If you walk around the location. I still got PTSD. Mother, fuckedfuck the big three. Nigga, it's just big me. Nigga boom, I'm really like that and your best work is a light pack. Nigga Prince, outlived Mike Jack. Nigga boom, for all your dawgs getting buried. That's a K with all these nines, he gon' see.
Speaker 10:Nigga young thug. You look so dope as you like that Kicking dawgs, kicking in dawgs.
Speaker 1:Niggas is clicking up and it's getting nasty out here. It's getting real nasty out here, man, why.
Speaker 2:Metro put his whole ass in that beat.
Speaker 1:He had to what he had to.
Speaker 2:And just the intensity of which Kendrick was saying bum, they go, bum, we got to make that a problem. We got to make that of which Kendrick was saying bum, they go, bum, we gotta make that a mom.
Speaker 1:We gotta make that Alright for the people out there. You're listening to Talk FNF TV with your host, rhetoric, and I'm with my lovely, amazing, beautiful co-host, Miss Reality.
Speaker 2:What's up?
Speaker 1:And right now man war is going on.
Speaker 2:It is civil war in hip hop.
Speaker 1:It's going, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:Everybody is going at everybody, and what is going on?
Speaker 1:I think first we got to start off with Big Sean, because I feel bad for that brother Every time, every time he comes out with a rollout, that nigga Kendrick just steps all over that shit.
Speaker 2:I feel like Kendrick at this point is doing it on purpose.
Speaker 1:Yeah he's like he just waits for big sean to do something, and then he's just like, all right, come on, let's step on it, release it I don't know why I haven't realized that kendrick is a bully. Yeah he's definitely the biggest right now. What it feels like he's the biggest bully in rap he's.
Speaker 2:He's a bully, but he's not a bully like you know that he's insecure and he has a terrible life at home, like bullies in real life do. No, this man's life is amazing. He's better than everybody, he's bigger than you, he's stronger than you and he's a bully.
Speaker 1:But he picking on. I think he picking on a tree too big. This go around now.
Speaker 2:No so let's talk about. Let's just get into everybody.
Speaker 1:What's going on? So future dropped a uh, a mixed an album with metro booming we don't trust you and this was an entire track list going at champagne poppy drake was the entire.
Speaker 2:The first one is we don't trust you.
Speaker 1:That's the first, first uh song on the album. We Don't Trust you Talking about the nigga Pillow talking, it's vibe work right here. And then, just to cap it all off, as y'all heard that little snippet if y'all listening to the audio this man teamed up and he's done this before with Kendrick, but this time they was going at this nigga Drake together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, period.
Speaker 1:All the bars from this whole album basically have been shots at Drake, and from what people have done now, they kind of looked at her loss in a way and said, hey, the beef has been right in front of our faces.
Speaker 2:The whole time. It's been a very longstanding thing, and I think it started in 2001. I mean 2011. So let's go back. Okay, it didn't start in 2011, but I feel like this is when it started. So in November 2011, kendrick is featured on Take Care Drake's album is featured on Take Care Drake's album In 2012,. This is Everything's Still Good. Drake invites Kendrick to open on Club Paradise Tour In October of 2012,. Drake and Kendrick are on Fucking Problems and then they collaborate on Poetic Justice. Everything is still cool, right.
Speaker 1:It feels kosher. We don't know what's going on underneath.
Speaker 2:They're collaborating in things Still. They collaborated on two songs in 2012. And then in 2013 is when the Fire Nation attacked Kendrick Lamar drops Control.
Speaker 1:And that was the first time he stepped on Big Sean, because people forget that was a Big Sean song. Was it, yes, control was a Big Sean? It it, yes, control was a big it was big Sean, and I think Jay Electronica was on the song too oh well, no, he went at Jay Electron he went at big Sean too uh on the on the track.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he had to, because he was naming all the rappers who are like big so yeah, so in 20 October 2013, kendrick Lamar um during the BET Hip Hop Awards, during the Cypher if y'all remember, that was a really good Cypher, the TDE Cypher he goes at Drake after he drops control and Drake I don't think Drake replied, did he?
Speaker 1:Not in a direct. Drake has never really directly replied to a bitch directly replied to a bitch.
Speaker 2:so, um, kendrick goes at him during the cypher and, um, he said nothing's been the same since they dropped control and tucked a sensitive rapper back in his pajama pajama clothes haha, jokes on you, high five. He turns to schoolboy. They, high five, I'm bulletproof. I was like, oh, I've been a TDE fan for so long, like I love that whole thing. So then, moving forward, december 2013, um, drake covers uh, he, he's on the cover of Vibe magazine and he said he stood his ground during the Kendrick diss. You did nothing, he stood his ground man.
Speaker 1:You did nothing. Who is Kendrick for him to reply, like I put you on.
Speaker 2:Bro Kendrick is a better rapper than him. That's who Kendrick is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got the people because you speak those conscious bars. Drake said it in his own shit. I would have had him too if I went conscious.
Speaker 2:He said he would have had him if he stayed conscious and didn't go pop.
Speaker 6:You were never conscious, drake, drake was slick I have that in, he was never conscious, I better find your loving.
Speaker 1:That was early. Drake Marvin Room was conscious.
Speaker 2:That was not.
Speaker 1:Yes, it was.
Speaker 2:That was not conscious. Marvin room was conscious that was not.
Speaker 1:Yes, it was. That was not marvin's room. Was conscious cubs hood at rose? No, fuck that nigga that you love so bad that's not conscious, that's just dirty mackin.
Speaker 2:That's conscious as fuck. That is dirty mackin. And two things can be true. Listen, drar the king of consciousness would not call Drake and his half whiteness conscious at all. So he said he stood his ground. Drake, you did not stand your ground. You literally did nothing while you got beat the fuck up, basically, and then called the police like a white woman. You acted like a white woman during during this beef. So then, um, in 20, 2015 to 2016 there's like subtle shots between them both. There's not really anything going on those two years nothing really groundbreaking. He said something in kinkuta kinkuta about drake usingwriters. And then, um, he also said um, I can dig rapping, but a rapper with a ghostwriter what the fuck happened? And then Drake said in um the games 100, same year, rapping. He said I would have all your fans if I didn't go pop and stayed on some conscious shit. So I feel like it's very funny that he said stayed on some conscious shit, because I feel like Drake came out and he was always pop from jump.
Speaker 1:I think that's a good assessment too, but his conscious shit was being able to relate to people on that emotional and romantic level. He was able to speak to people in that Conscious isn't just oh, the white man on my neck Like that's not the only brand of consciousness. But he did go to a more popular brand. I'm getting money. I'm like that's when you kind of get to the materialism which Drake is the king of, that shit.
Speaker 2:OK, so in October of 2023, drake and Cole link up on first person shooter. 2023, drake and Cole link up on First Person Shooter right. And in this song, drake says Love when they argue the hardest. Mc Is it K-Dot, is it Aubrey or me? Oh no. That was Cole, yeah, that was Cole, is it K-Dot, is it Aubrey or me? We, the big three, like we started the league, but right now I feel like Muhammad Ali Kendrick did not like that.
Speaker 1:And there was also more bars on that when he said when I'm looking at me, looking at Drake, it's like the Spider-Man meme. That's another one where it's saying really, it's only me and this nigga who I'm really looking at like that.
Speaker 2:So it was a lot of shots like it was, if you like. I said we played that part of uh j cole's on the audio. That's why you should listen to the audio and it was all there. So I think the switch up is like cute, I guess, j cole, because you and kendrick were supposed to drop an album together, like years ago.
Speaker 2:I still remember that and that's how we know the beef was always there we are literally still waiting on that album to this day, to this day, it's not happening it's definitely not happening, no more.
Speaker 1:But they did do the one thing where they switched each other's song. Remember like they one of them did a song or the other, they switched over. You don't remember that? No, oh, they did that. Where they one did a wrapped on each other's beat of a song they had okay.
Speaker 2:So, um, kendrick did not like them thinking that they're all lumped together as far as who is on top of rap, who the big three is. So Kendrick goes full attack mode on Like that, it's a future Metro Boomin' song. He said fuck, sneak dissing first person shooter. I hope they came with three switches. He said, mother, fuck the big three, nigga, it's just big me bars. I love that, it's me. There's nobody else. I'm the most talented. I rap better than you. I write better than you. My bitch is badder than yours.
Speaker 2:My baitable like period well, first of all, Drake dates children, and Cole has been with the same woman for God knows how long. You mean Kendrick. Cole has been with the same woman for God knows how long. So has Kendrick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's why, again, the real role model here is Drake, Like come on now he's not a role model because he likes children. No, he's not. He doesn't like children, he likes adult women Allegedly children 21 and up.
Speaker 2:Listen, they knocking the pins down. I'm going to give Drake until about 2028 before the documentary coming out about this. Nigga too, Drake ain't no Dittler but we'll get to that later. He definitely is, allegedly so. He also said for all your dogs getting buried, that's a k with all nines. He gonna see the pet cemetery march 25th 2024. Very recently, seemingly, drake responded to um to kendrick shit, so he's on tour and um he said a lot of people asking me how I'm feeling.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna just read it. He said I'm gonna let you know how I'm feeling. I'm going to just read it. He said I'm going to let you know how I'm feeling. Listen, the way I'm feeling is the same way. I want you to walk out of here feeling about your fucking self, because you know how I'm feeling. I got my head up high, my back straight. I'm ten toes down in Florida or anywhere I go, and I know that, no matter what, it's not a nigga on earth that could ever fuck with my life, and that's how I want you to walk out here tonight. This nigga been throwing shots at you for mad long and you're a bitch. You haven't actually replied. That's not true.
Speaker 1:He has thrown plenty shots at this nigga Kendrick. Yo, At the end of the day, this nigga is a pawn in the game. I'm tired of this little TD support that you over here doing that shit is bullshit and whack.
Speaker 2:I was accident, that shit was whack, that shit was whack.
Speaker 1:Alright. We need to stop talking about all this Kendrick bullshit and keep it 100. What it really is the disrespect is this nigga future. This nigga is vile. For him to the audacity to not just go with your man, metro, and go at Drake. That would have been cool. We got 40 and Drake versus Future and Metro. I like that, but you bringing in this nigga Kendrick, now we got the dark skins versus the light skins, cole, and fucking Drake versus Future and Kendrick.
Speaker 2:Cole isn't even really in this for real, Like he just happened to be on the song with Drake and then he caught strays because kendrick was just shooting at everybody. You was just standing next to the nigga that kendrick don't fuck with, so you caught strays and it's time to link up though, because it's link up time cole don't really have nothing to do with this, like he's probably just gonna fall all the way back.
Speaker 2:He for knowing what Cole? Uh, he, he usually replies, so he probably will reply. Because Kendrick, um, cole, kendrick did not mention Cole in control and there was, um, I forget the song, but he said um, that he was mad that that he didn't say anything about him in that song too, and then he went at Kendrick in one of the songs. So I feel like Cole will probably reply via bars, drake will probably throw some more subliminals, like he has been doing this whole time, and that's it.
Speaker 1:Let's just be for real. This nigga, kendrick, caught them at a good time. Like this nigga is on tour so he can't really focus in any kind of energy to go at him. Like this was like really some sneak bullshit. They know this nigga is busy. They know he can't really direct any kind of energy at them.
Speaker 1:That's gonna sound like hip-hop he wasn't busy during control that's the different time that was there and he was on tour. Drake's always on tour. Drake's always working and grinding. It wasn't until that one drake, that meek mill part, that he was really able to do that in any way. Like he don't look at kendrick like that, like that wasn't no real bar, like at the end of the day, kendrick ain't really putting out no real hits when it comes to this so it don't really hurt.
Speaker 2:Kendrick isn't gonna chart like drake will, because drake is a pop artist.
Speaker 1:So then like that's why. Why would I even respond to that?
Speaker 2:but I feel like your shit don't even make the real noise. I feel like that's such a lowbrow argument. You have less numbers. Like can we talk about something that's actually like of substance?
Speaker 1:but it's not about the less numbers their music drake has been.
Speaker 2:Let's let's talk about drake's last couple projects. Versus kendrick's last couple projects as far as critical acclaim goes, Kendrick has more critical acclaim.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you drop every six years, you get a time to really work this shit up. I'm out here grinding.
Speaker 2:And also if I'm taking my time to curate my art and you're dropping like fucking. I don't even know what. You're just popping them out left and right like of course your numbers are going to be higher.
Speaker 1:That's not, of course, because if I'm dropping ass, then it's not going to spin. I'm dropping heat while I'm doing it. Granted, yes, there are some flops here and there.
Speaker 2:There are some songs that don't hit and resonate the last two albums, arguably.
Speaker 1:The albums didn't resonate, but that's because they were so long.
Speaker 2:More, you take five songs off those albums and it's a great album. You cannot name one Kendrick album that's been a flop.
Speaker 1:I would hope not, nigga. It took six years to make it. I'm just saying, if you're not putting yourself under that kind of fire and scrutiny as far, as artistry goes, I feel like Drake is over-processed bullshit and Kendrick is like more.
Speaker 2:it's better quality.
Speaker 1:No, Kendrick is just niche.
Speaker 2:It's like Zara versus like Couture. No, Fast fashion versus Couture. It's literally what Drake and Kendrick are. Oh my God, it's literally the same. Exact. That is the perfect example.
Speaker 1:It's not.
Speaker 2:Drake is literally in your face nonstop, nonstop. She in Drake, is she in no?
Speaker 8:Drake is like in your face nonstop, nonstop. She in Drake, is she in no?
Speaker 2:Drake is like no, you know what Drake is forever 21.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no Very popular Like it's affordable.
Speaker 2:It's digestible, Like. That's why it's popular as fuck, Kendrick, it's not as digestible, but's so the quality is amazing.
Speaker 1:It's rich like I said, what you're talking about is yams and garbage, because you sit out here and you don't put out any real heat. You're not a real artist, and this is like. The one thing that you didn't even touch on was that bullshit line he said about uh, prince, lasting longer than mike, uh, mike jack. You're not prince kendrick, you're the farthest thing from it. You don't make the beats, all you do is rap. You help curate and produce the record, but you're not actually making the noise. The nigga who makes the noise, the actual nigga who really is Prince in this conversation, would be J Cole, because he makes his own beats. Yeah, he's been making his own shit. The closest person to Prince. The only thing about you that makes you anything, prince, is that you're weird and you try to do eclectic shit, and you're not really that eclectic. Like. All that shit is goofy shit and it don't really even hit like that. That shit don't really even sound good like that. That's why it don't resonate with that many people.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, the reason why y'all fuck with this nigga, is it's cool? I'm so dry.
Speaker 1:We put the black fist in the sky for him because of that bull, and that's why y'all rock with him. At the end of the day, that's all it is. That's all his niche is. He doesn't resonate with the people. He's not out here doing arena tours, you know why? Because he can't do them like Drake. Drake is always working, always busy.
Speaker 2:I'm always in the city Because he's forever 21. It's easily digestible, but people have to want it. It doesn't everybody has to want. It loves it.
Speaker 1:The formula that drake follows is so easy it's like no, it's not, because then make another it's like mad.
Speaker 2:Make another drake, plug this in no, make another drake, it's his formula, so obviously he can do it very well. He's gotten that down. I'm just saying that it's an easy formula it's not that he can just pop out like that it's in the the. The speed of which he puts out projects only supports my argument. No, it drops like three projects a year. This shit is crazy because he's.
Speaker 1:There's no way that you're taking your time with anything.
Speaker 2:there's no way that you're actually like putting thought into any of this shit, which is why, like when oneops, you just throw another one at us, so just forget about that one. Look at this instead.
Speaker 1:No, it's because I have so much to offer the world.
Speaker 2:I have so much to offer the world, because it's so easy for me to churn out.
Speaker 1:It's not easy. It's Kraft Mac and Cheese.
Speaker 2:I put in the work. It's Kraft, Mac and Cheese. I make it look easy, but it's Kraft, Mac and Cheese. But it was my idea. I put the powdered cheese in there and I put the thing and then I put it in the little bowl and then all you got to do is add the water. That was all my idea, but nonetheless it's fucking Kraft, Mac and Cheese.
Speaker 1:No, it's not. This shit is that it's?
Speaker 2:basic bullshit. This shit is potent.
Speaker 1:This shit is that legit shit that he putting out there. When you go to drake's hits his catalog, his upper echelon music. That shit is top tier.
Speaker 2:Niggas love what they hear and then past, just like the fact that kendrick is such a better artist. Right, this man does not even listen to music for real, like the. The last person that should be arguing about music is you.
Speaker 1:That was the thing I didn't want to have a music conversation. I wanted to have an impact conversation, and the real impact ain't with Kendrick. That's why I really didn't want to talk with him. It's with Future, because Future is what's leading the real part of this Civil War.
Speaker 2:Niggas is clicking up. My takeaway from this is always the music, because that's what I love the most about rap beef is the lyrics. The lyrics are cool, that's the most important thing, but the impact is the biggest part.
Speaker 1:If this shit that Kendrick did didn't have no impact, nobody would care. It had impact because it was a surprise attack. It came out of nowhere. It was on one of the bigger projects that everybody was expecting. And that's where Future is the fucked up one. And the truth is real senseis can't be friends. That's the real truth. A lot of niggas cannot be friends with other niggas who get women. It is tough. It is tough. I was with you until the women part.
Speaker 2:Like what does that have to do? That's the truth.
Speaker 1:Because when you out here, going outside, there has to be a hierarchy, there has to be an understanding. If you going out there, then you end up because if you not, if I like the same thing, he like, it's going to be beef between us. Now we not going after the women. We can't have that. That's why I mean with me personally, I don't hang out with too many. It's only one nigga that I hang out with who I feel I can get the caliber that I get. It's only one that I got.
Speaker 2:And Future are definitely. I know it's not the topic, but I don't think they going after the same women.
Speaker 1:No, they definitely going after the same women.
Speaker 2:Drake is going after children so allegedly. Drake is going after children so allegedly. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1:They are going after the same women. Like what?
Speaker 2:people don't understand. Drake is going after Millie Bobby Brown. She of age now.
Speaker 1:What people don't understand is that, like we always joke and laugh about oh why do rappers go after you know the same women? It's because they want that muse Like. This is an art. This is like I have to get in a type of mood and environment and if she can make that mood that made you make them slaps, I need to see if it's some slap juice still on her money bag.
Speaker 2:Yo and ari are the perfect example. This man just dropped a single and then the first thing he does is drop a little like compilation video which is look at her he just whores her look at her look at her like the whole video was like listen to my song and also. But look at her Like the whole video was like listen to my song and also. But look at her.
Speaker 1:I don't see how he just whores her out Like there's nothing. She's not a muse, she's a spectacle.
Speaker 2:It's an ass-shaking song and she's like the ultimate ass-shaker and he makes ass-shaking music. So if you an ass-shaking, music-making ass nigga, then don't you want your ultimate? Muse is going to be the ass-shaking girl? Not necessarily.
Speaker 1:Because there's other different girls, there's other varieties, there's other like. He been with her for a while. Like they just marketing together, they just make good marketing together.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying the music that he make matches up the type of muse is like what you can see. Who the girl they allegedly saying he make like strip club music. Yeah, strip club music.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the type of muse that we talk about is like the girl that we seen, they allegedly saying Drake and future of beefing up the princess, diana girl, let's talk about that. So she? A lot of people haven't been, you know, doing their investigations on the internet, and they were able to locate a girl who worked at one of the clubs. That was mentioned in a song and they identified her. She has since denied being involved in any capacity metro came out and also said that that's bullshit.
Speaker 2:He said they're. They're not. Beefing over a girl lies that's the only thing there's gonna be also, I don't believe that this is the girl that they're beefing over I do.
Speaker 1:This seems just right up that alley. And it's not about beefing about the girl, it's about what's said to the girl.
Speaker 2:She looks like squidward's house.
Speaker 1:It's not not about that Again. You keep worrying about the wrong thing.
Speaker 2:I cannot wrap my head around this beef being this, like if it was over, like a Lori Harvey, looking like you know, like someone like you just saying that because she's light-skinned. Or like a Tyla.
Speaker 1:You just saying that because she's light-skinned.
Speaker 2:She's not light-skinned, she's Colombian.
Speaker 1:Well, she's a lighter skinned woman.
Speaker 2:But both of the other women I just named are light skinned.
Speaker 1:But they're darker women. They're more closer to black than this woman.
Speaker 2:No, I'm saying that because her face is not great.
Speaker 1:I just want to say this Future, I'm glad this is the first foreign we've ever seen you with, because for my entire life, listening to your music, you've lied to us. You told me all your bitches was foreign. That's a lie. Nigga told me he was on Molly and Lean that's a lie. Said you loved your family. Never said that. But no, I'm just saying like this nigga Future has lied to me his whole time. All his baby mamas is black.
Speaker 2:Yeah he mostly dates black women, where? Are the foreigns he mostly dates like really pretty brown-skinned girls.
Speaker 1:Like Future is like. That's the reason I can't really rock with Future and his beef in any capacity. It's because, at the end of the day, man, you always lie to us about everything you do. I don't even think you fucked her in Gucci flip-flops, like everything. Now I just feel like it's flu gazey and the fact that you would team up and go against your mans. The nigga who was on Tony Montana okay, he wasn't in the video.
Speaker 2:So Future has been mad at Drake for several things, like for a long time. So there's a. There actually is a complex article about like the longstanding like shade that's been going on between future and drake and it started with um. It started with drake not showing up to the video for um, the tony montana but, like I said, but they've done work before then.
Speaker 1:Like, at the end of the day, bro, you ain't a real friend, you are an industry friend. So when you were valuable, we kept you around and it was a great time to be alive.
Speaker 2:And now we on to 21 and it's her loss so um that's why he's mad in august 3rd 2013, um future said that he inspired, started from the bottom, but didn't get publishing for it on a, on a interview and then um these guys, he got kicked out of drake's tour in 2013 also. So then in 2022? Um wait for you goes number one, but future and drake have never performed the rest, the record or they didn't do a video either I, I don't think um did do a video for it, but I don't think.
Speaker 1:Drake was in it. No, like I said, they didn't promote that. Joe Budden had made a good point about that when he was talking about how they didn't promote this video. It wasn't like any. Future and Drake song ever.
Speaker 2:Like there was no promo, nothing. Yeah, it was nothing.
Speaker 1:It was no Drake in that at all.
Speaker 2:And it would just seem like like niggas versus and they still take it. So remember that I give you niggas versus and you still take it. So in uh, november of 2022, her loss is released and um throws subliminal shots at future. And then um in january 2023. So nori was Breakfast Club. I don't know if you remember, but he said that he, that it was a rumor that the and I think this is why the beef actually started that Future. No, drake was mad. No.
Speaker 2:Future was mad at Drake for teaming up with 21 Savage on her loss.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he wanted to be on her loss. He was sad, he was in his feelings. Yeah, he wanted to be on her loss. He was sad, he was in his feelings. Sorry, nigga, you over there pillow talking. You over there doing all that country shit. Hey, we throw more ones than you over here, nigga. What's up OBO?
Speaker 2:And then, in 2023 of October, drake throws more subliminals at Future.
Speaker 1:As he should.
Speaker 2:And then now we're here, where now fans are thinking that that future's dissing drake of course he is dissing drake.
Speaker 1:Then you got clown ass, nav travis and even rick ross on the bullshit. But you see what drake did to ross, what he sent that crazy ass girl some concert tickets his baby mom, no, the baby mom, the one that he just left, the young one.
Speaker 1:Oh, like I said, you can't play Like. What Drake has understood is that the reason y'all have women is because I don't want them. That's what Drake really understood. The only reason y'all have the women that y'all have is because I don't want them. Right now I am big dog and he about to show y'all it's about to get nasty. According to the blind, items.
Speaker 2:Again. According to the blind items, the women in these circles who like are circulated amongst these. Men don't want Drake because it's known that he likes children.
Speaker 1:All right, when Drake sue you Allegedly, I'm just going to say, hey, drake, take her Allegedly, give me the OVO check. I say allegedly literally every single time, give me the ovo check for the podcast you know.
Speaker 1:Sewer to oblivion my guy allegedly like I'm telling you drake, like I said drake, and I'm gonna let drake sue you to oblivion you over here trying to put smut on that nigga name. Like I said, y'all just be ready. Nigga gonna get off tour soon. He gonna be in the lab. And, like I said, y'all just be ready, nigga going to get off tour soon, he going to be in the lab and he coming at all of y'all. It's going to be nasty, it's going to be an onslaught, it's going to be subliminals.
Speaker 1:Get ready for the 40 water for real?
Speaker 2:It's going to be subliminals. Y'all going to get paper cuts.
Speaker 1:Just wait, he has historically. What you mean, he got time.
Speaker 2:He has historically, from 2010, not taken direct shots at anybody, on any occasion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this nigga, now, it's time, it's going to be time now. Okay, this nigga, it's going to be time.
Speaker 2:Let's see after a decade and almost a half if he changes his behavior to stop being a little bitch boy, and, and let's just be honest, and actually take direct shots at some people, okay.
Speaker 1:And this nigga Kendrick. Only reason that that's all he got is saying names, the shit he can't do. Subliminals, because he don't spit like that. He ain't saying nothing like that, Ain't nothing bars that we saw.
Speaker 2:You sound fucking stupid.
Speaker 1:Ain't no bars that we heard say anything like what Drake was saying about him.
Speaker 2:You don't listen to music. I do.
Speaker 1:Just because I don't fucking praise it to the end. All be all.
Speaker 2:No, no, you just. I look at the impact. Simply do not listen to music. I do listen to music. Not in the car, not in the shower, not while you clean. I listen to this whole Future album. You listened to it once, did you not? I listened to it twice, okay.
Speaker 1:This nigga lying. I'm not lying this nigga lying to.
Speaker 5:He don't listen to no type of music. You a hater.
Speaker 2:We should never critique music on this podcast, because I'm the only person that listens to music and I generally only listen to Afrobeats, so you don't listen to music. You listen to one type of music. I listen to Afrobeats, haitian music, caribbean music, and I listen to the artists that I like Kendrick Okay Zmino, j Cole.
Speaker 4:Then you are compromised. This something that I can very passionately talk about.
Speaker 1:You don't listen to no fucking body and I can talk about.
Speaker 2:Drake and Future. You don't listen to no fucking music. This nigga is the most basic. And then he only listens to basic niggas too. Like what is your actually, what is your actual music taste past Drake and Future? And fucking like the radio hits.
Speaker 1:I like Dirk too. None, I like Youngboy.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, I listen to the shit that this nigga said Youngboy. My God, let's move on. Let's move on. Let's not continue to discuss your music taste.
Speaker 1:There's a reason why he go crazy on YouTube Because they got shit that slap. Just because you don't want to listen to it, don't mean it's nothing. You aren't the end, all be all.
Speaker 2:You. This nigga said young boy, if we keeping it real, your music taste ain't really left out the 2000s. You're stuck in a box. I love playing the music that has nostalgia to me, but obviously that's not the only shit I listen to. I listen to so much music.
Speaker 1:No, no, you don't All right, we got to get into some more still music. Adjacent man, this man, the diddler.
Speaker 2:Do you have more terrible takes for this segment too?
Speaker 1:Not as bad as your takes will be bud.
Speaker 2:Terrible. Take Proctor. Be terrible, let's go.
Speaker 1:Nah, you introduce us to Diddy Conversation.
Speaker 2:No, I just had the whole. I don't have the Diddy Conversation Because you know what happened. Oh Lord, All right. So Diddy's house got raided recently, both of his homes, so there's one in LA and one in Miami, and both of them got raided. He apparently is just in the wind. We don't know where Diddy is. I saw somewhere that he's in like a caribbean country that doesn't have um ex-extradition to the us no, he's in florida.
Speaker 1:They just had a 10 news or whatever in the local area, just had him. They showed him being like covered by umbrellas and shit like that, but him and his people are still in florida. He didn't go nowhere okay, so um they stopped him at the airport. That's where they caught the white boy. So he got caught with a former Syracuse Orange Orange player that's a college team who was his little drug mule or whatever. They arrested him and they didn't let him leave the country.
Speaker 2:Of course they didn't let him leave. Because you are going to jail, Let me wake this up.
Speaker 1:All right, just as mama was right the whole time. All right, I don't know if y'all remember when that little nigga got a DUI and his mama was going all over the internet talking about how Diddy was a bad influence and a bad man, shit. We woke this shit up. All right, lil Rod exposing niggas, cassie exposing niggas they done. Put Cupid Gooding Jr in this shit. All right, we got to get into. Essentially, they went in. Not only did they raid one house, they raided two. They had his kids was at the house, had these young niggas in the in the grass locked up in the. They all detained. Nobody got, nobody got arrested all detained. You seen the trashing of the house. They showed the house being trashed all the way through. They didn't clean. They going they, they treating this nigga like a hoe and this shit all done came from his ass trying to sue these people.
Speaker 1:So I don't know if y'all remember diddy was trying to sue the folks from what's his alcohol name delion suing these folks from DeLeon because he said they was being racist, they wasn't properly marketing his uh product and putting it in the stores that they need to be in, and he had a problem with it. And he was trying to be Jay-Z because Jay-Z had just did the same, the same thing, with uh, one of his uh liquor company. That's when he was able just to sell. So Diddy been bullshit, because not only has it been him suing him you remember what happened with the Joker shit that he did. They gave him a cease and desist, warner.
Speaker 1:Brothers sent him a cease and desist and asked him not to do that the next year. This nigga dresses up like Batman, their biggest character. So this nigga, diddy's been feeling like he's been untouchable, running around here with the little loud mouth uh, florida bitch going crazy, got these other women talking about what's going on in the household, getting asian women pregnant. This nigga's been wild and they said it's time to put an end. He thought because because he was doing the blackmail allegedly, that he was the one in control. They showing him nigga. No, all that shit we had you compromising folks to do, we throwing it back on your ass. Ain't no snitching in this, because the niggas that snitching on is the niggas that's putting you under. It's going bad for Diddy man. It's been going bad for.
Speaker 2:Diddy man. It's been going back. The lawsuit that Lil Rod uh filed against Diddy was, like, amended and there were a couple things that changed in the lawsuit. So Cuba Gooding Jr being added to it was like the main thing that was amended that I saw. And then, um, the recording studio that the the guy got shot in was also taken out, and then the like the former of the four things, former head of motown or ceo motown, something like that, ethiopia or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's snitching she telling on you, diddy. She took a deal so that she was taken out of the the lawsuit and and then she gave them a whole timeline of everything, of all the work that she's done, everywhere she's worked and, if called upon, then she is going to testify.
Speaker 1:Niggas is talking. They got you, diddy, they got you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's going down.
Speaker 2:You're definitely going to jail. There's really no getting around it.
Speaker 1:Where's the pink coke at?
Speaker 2:You had Young Miamiami moving it allegedly. Where is it at? So in this amendment little rod also says that there were women who were regularly on his payroll, like monthly payroll. Young miami, obviously, is one of those, one of these women and he does not know that these women were given the correct tax documentation to declare the money that did he was giving them. Little rod. Now, okay, I don't know exactly what these women are doing, but like, and I know that you, you were traumatized, but to but to say that, like these sugar babies aren't declaring their sugar daddy money, wake that shit up Like nigga, you did not have to do that.
Speaker 2:That is some hater ass shit, Like if they were doing things for him that made you coming out more difficult cool.
Speaker 1:Get those bitches, get those bitches. We got to make sure these hoes pay their taxes.
Speaker 2:But if they were just like regular hoes just doing stuff for Diddy and just like running drugs and like not sexually assaulting you or helping him sexually assault anybody, then let them bitches get their money. That's some hater ass shit.
Speaker 1:No, because this is like when the niggas was exposing the OnlyFans girls and calling the IRS on them Pathetic, that was big. That was my kind of energy. No, no, you need to pay your taxes. Ew, you need to pay your taxes. How do I get to work if the road's not clear and you not paying your taxes? I'm paying mine. Pay yours Shit. I don't understand why y'all think, just because y'all using y'all bodies, that because you know that that's not the the the state of mind that those men were in.
Speaker 2:They were literally just jealous and whatever, and they wanted to enact some type of revenge on these women. It wasn't because they wanted them to be um tax paying citizens that I didn't say what they want to do.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about why I agree with it. Pay your taxes.
Speaker 2:you're lame just like them niggas. Whatever Pay your taxes.
Speaker 1:I got two, we all got two, so we can all get around here. Man, even way, fuck it, run it up. We about to start exposing all of y'all. I'm getting the paperwork out. We getting all the W-4s and 5s and W9s and 10s out. Nigga, we exposing all the paperwork. This year, all y'all niggas gonna have to pay up, diddy. This is what your fault is for leveraging the culture. That is what you did when you was teaming up with all these companies and all this other stuff. You weren't just leveraging the culture in a way where you were exploiting us to alcohol and all sorts of bad ideas, nigga, you was exploiting your fellow community and putting cameras around these niggas while they was being nasty. That's crazy. That is a double layer of distrust. You're already being nasty, now you compromising other niggas in the facilitation of the nastiness that you provided.
Speaker 2:Oh, also so in this amendment, the man in the video that was pictured is not stevie jay, um, it's a it's escort. And he came out and said this is me escorting. But little rod said that regardless. When this video was presented to me, it was presented to me, presented to me saying that it was stevie jay and it was like a form of manipulation all on its own. So also that it was not stevie j. Meek mill is still in the mix. Meek mill was definitely like doing the bending meek mill.
Speaker 1:We know what happens when you went shopping dog, you had the same shirt on as that nigga dog that's crazy.
Speaker 2:Like that man was calling you daddy on camera.
Speaker 1:We know what's going on over there Meekie, Meekie, freaky Meekie.
Speaker 2:It's not looking good for you, Meek.
Speaker 1:Looking crazy bro.
Speaker 2:And I already don't like you Like. This doesn't make me like you any less.
Speaker 1:Why.
Speaker 2:If he's gay, you wouldn't like him. No, I already don't like him. You being gay, don't make me like you more. That don't that's not. Uh, that wouldn't add a little, no, little rise because he's still him.
Speaker 1:He's like a little, he could be like a dl rapper.
Speaker 2:No, he's still him. I still hate that nigga. I hate everything about his personality and I don't fully know him. Like every, every tweet I've seen from meek mill, I want to punch that nigga in the face rebrand.
Speaker 1:Rebranding as a dl rapper might be the move. Meek, just like, stay like, just be DL. Meek, he could do it. He could pull it off. Just keep doing like subtle homosexual shit.
Speaker 2:Meek, you just gotta open a bike shop and start selling the four-wheelers.
Speaker 1:You can even put like little. You can make little bike seats like sexual Meek. You could do all that Freaky Meek bike seats and then they just poke you up the butt. He could do that.
Speaker 2:He got to embrace it. This nigga just be saying shit.
Speaker 1:He got to embrace it.
Speaker 2:He has to embrace it now. Freaky meek bike seats.
Speaker 1:He got to embrace it. There's no other way.
Speaker 2:That sounds like an Alvin Gray movie. Freaky, meek bike seats. That'll be the next wave. Just wait on it, it's coming. Oh my god, do you think he's um?
Speaker 1:he's making um the mogul that that assaulted the industry no, the mogul that blackmailed blackmailed the industry. You got to make it a little bit longer than that yeah, because it has to be at least seven words it's gotta be that all right.
Speaker 1:So I'm trying to think is there anything else we got to get into with diddy? I think that it's going. I think that's got to be that All right. So I'm trying to think Is there anything else we got to get into with Diddy? I think that it's going to be interesting. What's going to happen? I don't think he's going to go to jail. I think there's going to be, like he already sold Revolt.
Speaker 2:There's murder involved.
Speaker 1:He's not going to go to jail.
Speaker 2:I promise you he's not going to jail Like there's murder and sexual assault and kidnapping and trafficking and now drugs involved, they're not going to find anything. I think he might go to jail.
Speaker 1:This was all used as to make him scared and let him know what could happen, Because if they really wanted to, if they had the evidence to put him in jail, he would have been hammed up already.
Speaker 2:Like it's very clear as day If they had physical evidence.
Speaker 1:If they had the evidence that they needed to put him in jail. He would have been in jail. All this is is to ruin his reputation and make him look bad in front of everybody. That's all it is now, and that's why you're going to have black niggas going. Oh, they trying to take Diddy down because they can't. The merit of what they're talking about or what's defaming him can't be established at all.
Speaker 2:You can't other than other than cassie, and you're not meaning prior even with cassie.
Speaker 1:All it was was him saying hey, I'm gonna give you money to shut up. Don't mean I could turn that into anything no, but there's.
Speaker 2:There's photo and video evidence in the evidence that little rod?
Speaker 1:yeah, it hasn't been made public to us yet little rod, but during the trial it will be. I'm like, well, she's not going to trial little rod, she's not, and the little ross stuff a lot of his shit. That's why I had to get redacted and redone, because it was some shit in there that was not all accurate, you know.
Speaker 2:That's why there was a lot of questionable shit going on the main thing that wasn't accurate was the, the person in the video being stevie j yeah, that was. But that was still like in diddy's house, like everything was still happening we got to see what little rod got.
Speaker 1:He has to provide real evidence and if he got the so-called videos and stuff he doing, like I said, some of that stuff is going to also has his blood soaked shirt from the night that that man was murdered in the studio.
Speaker 2:Again, we still have to.
Speaker 1:Apparently we have to see, because, again, all of that is all circumstantial at this point, unless they're going to put this nigga in jail, and that's what this is going to be about, which this doesn't seem to be about. This seems to be about money. At least Lil Rod's case is about money. Homeland Security has to find that information to do anything in regards to the sex trafficking.
Speaker 1:All this shit is just right now is just smoking mirrors, just to make him, uh, get, get nervous and fuck up. That's really what they're waiting for right now and more than likely it's not gonna happen. He's not gonna fuck up big time. He's gonna lose a bunch of deals. He's gonna have to sell off some shit, and it's not even really like he's selling it off. It's like doing a special loan somebody gonna give you some money, he's gonna give you a low dollar amount for your product and then you pay him back with interest when you get back. Right, that's really what's going on. So I still we still don't know who he sold to revolt to, but we'll we'll probably end up finding out yeah after some more investigations um, let me see who's who?
Speaker 2:who want to buy revolt? A lot of people that quit.
Speaker 1:I mean, you gotta think about it. It's not like it's not Diddy TV. Anybody can start rebranding that a channel. So you uh anything else. We gotta get to on that, or are we done?
Speaker 2:no, we're done on Diddy.
Speaker 1:Diddy the diddler. You're gonna be done, zo brother, but uh need to see if you check this out real quick.
Speaker 7:My son, my son got killed. You will cry. Okay, now you talking about snitching. You got it right. I'm a law-abiding citizen. That's why your son's unalive.
Speaker 3:Hold on, I'm going to call my son. You got to go to the graveyard to see your son. Say say, say, look, say, look, say, look. This is what my kids give me for Father's Day. Gilly say Gilly, cash money, backup singer Say cash money.
Speaker 7:backup singer I'm sorry. Backup dancer Say listen, I'm going to call my boy.
Speaker 1:because you can't call your boy, you got to do this.
Speaker 3:Oh, I miss my son.
Speaker 1:I don't miss my son. I'm going to call my right now.
Speaker 3:Hold on, let me call my son, because I.
Speaker 1:So it gets on and gets a little worse than that. But this stems from a conversation that gillian was having regarding some snitching and and basically doing that street code shit. But while I don't agree with what charleston white said and did there in the manner that he expressed it the merit of what he's saying I'm 100 behind yeah, but you didn't, he didn't have to say that shit like that like I hate.
Speaker 2:I hate the delivery because it's so fresh. The problem, like the man's son literally still just died the problem the problem is the problem. Yes, black people have this. No snitching thing. Crimes don't get solved, justice doesn't get served to the families that are grieving. 100, but at at the same, it's the same coin. It's on the other side. This is still a grieving man it is again.
Speaker 1:I understand it's a grieving man, but again your, your actions to yourself, to what you've done and promoted in the community, led to what that happened, and so at some point that has to be spoken up to. We can't sit here and let these people who claim to be about community and about changing what's going on, but then you still are promoting it like, do you maybe from an empathetic point, what's his name?
Speaker 2:wallow, or?
Speaker 1:was it gilly. It was gilly whose son who passed gilly.
Speaker 2:Knowing what he's done, knowing the life he's lived, knowing what kind of rhetoric he pushes and knowing that his son was murdered, like probably and he's still grieving right now probably will get to the point where he'll be like this was wrong I. I shouldn't be doing this. This is the lesson that I have learned. But he's still in the mourning process. So making fun of him for something that's bigger than him, right? He's still in the like my son died stage. Like this happened to me stage.
Speaker 2:But he's not, though he's probably going to get outside of it and see the bigger picture and see the point eventually, but I just, I really don't like that, but you're not.
Speaker 1:It lacks empathy. What you're forgetting is you're not, though, because he over here still telling people not to do the snitching shit.
Speaker 2:Still talking about it. He's still. He's not outside of he's. He hasn't learned. That's what I'm saying. Maybe, like a year from now, he he'll change his tone. What you gotta learn?
Speaker 1:from the nigga just underlies your kid. You gotta learn that. You gotta start talking about who these people are like what. What kind of common sense do you need? You get out here with this man who did 20 years of his life and time talking about y'all trying to better the community? You talking about you, better you, oh, oh, I'm here. Remember we just played that video of uh gilly when he was talking about the ceos and the black ceos and the white ceos who cutting the check and all that bullshit. No, like at some point, like I understand it's, it's just kind of like what the kevin samuels shit where it's like, oh, the tone and all that stuff. But at some point somebody gotta smack people in the face and say, bro, you on bullshit, and that's what this is what it comes to and that's why, like again, I wouldn't go behind. Even when I said my shit about gilly, uh, and my kind of criticisms of it, I didn't say no crazy shit like that.
Speaker 2:But I'll be honest with you if my line of thinking wasn't on a similar way I my line of thinking would be on a similar wave too if I was a fan of gillian wallow and all that. And then I heard him talk about like no snitching and stuff after his son was murdered. I would be very confused, because you want justice yourself, don't you? Like you want whoever murdered your son to be held accountable for that murder. I'm sure you do. Someone has to snitch for that to happen. So obviously, like you, don't make sense at all, but at the same time, like emotionally, like I want to have empathy for this man because he just lost his son and that's not something that a parent should ever go through. And I don't think he's fucking thinking about that. I don't think he's putting two and two together, because I don't think his brain is acting correctly at this current moment.
Speaker 1:I can understand, but I can also just see the criticism where it's like, bro, you were promoting your son's music. Who was promoting this kind of lifestyle? Yeah and you not stopping that, you not stepping on that, you not trying to say you need to make a different way if you're gonna make music, like at some point I feel like he's like damn the chickens come home. I knew this was gonna happen like there's, there's a part of him.
Speaker 2:There's a part of him as a father that knew that this might happen, but he was just hoping that he would. It wouldn't. He was hoping that, like, whatever power, whatever status he had, maybe would stop this from happening, but it did.
Speaker 1:my thing is, if you cut everything off and you say, hey, I'm not going to allow you to kill yourself with my backing, and that happens, we just got to just put it up to the game, wash our hands of it, and and that's just what it is. But when you sitting here and I can bring up a video where he's with his son, his son is rapping about spinning blocks and all that other shit, and he right there next to him, again, I'm going to look at you and say, bro, what, what did? What did you think was going to end? How does it go in? So I mean, I said we can, we can be critical of Charleston white, all we want but, because he's shooting at he.
Speaker 1:When he shoot, he's shooting at the right thing to shoot at. He's going.
Speaker 2:He's going right at the, at the problem and the source of what you're doing his delivery is just so bad that I just don't think it's good ain't nobody's gonna listen to you.
Speaker 1:If I said oh man, gilly, you know you shouldn't be like you say. Even what I would have said if I would have cut a bar clip and did that, nobody would have listened to that. But if I would have said, fuck you and you need this, why your son or the niggas would listen to that. And at the end of the day, it's up to people like us to listen to what charleston white's saying, pull out the mayor from it and then explain to people so that that do react like you reacted you said, um, people wouldn't listen.
Speaker 2:I don't listen. Um, charleston white doesn't come up in my algorithms at all. He, I feel like you listen because you want to listen. Listening would be him. Him accurately making people listen would be him getting to people who don't agree with him regularly and who don't interact with him.
Speaker 1:And he didn't do that with this because I didn't even know this happened regularly and who don't interact with him, and he didn't do that with this because I didn't even know this happened. So what your discussion is the algorithm and reflection to what could have. You don't know what happened because you didn't see it, you didn't engage in comments, you don't know when him changing people's mindsets on certain things and and then they he could be.
Speaker 2:He's not getting people to listen because he's people who are listening to him right now are the people who have been listening to him.
Speaker 1:Okay, and then we go back five years from now. There was nobody listening to him. So what do you mean? So people are listening to him Just because it's people who agree with him, don't mean they're not people. They're people who still listen to him that were not listening to him five years ago. So that's what he's saying.
Speaker 2:I have no idea what you just said. The people are not. People listen. Go listen again five years ago people were not listening.
Speaker 1:It was after that so now people are listening to him. The people who were not listening to him five years ago are listening to him now, so he has people listening to him. What do you mean? Okay, that's all I'm saying. Like, you can't act, like he doesn't have a following and people want to see what he's talking about, like and this is it?
Speaker 2:I'm just saying you're not, you're not changing anybody. It's not about that anymore.
Speaker 1:It's not about that anymore for him it's about. Is that not what it's about? Not for him, not anymore I'm. He's told us that already.
Speaker 2:It's not about you so what is the point of him being this big of an asshole?
Speaker 1:exposing the assholes in my community with with no conscience I'm calling. I'm calling dickheads and shitheads in my community when I see them. That's what it is.
Speaker 2:It's not about making it better, because it's never gonna make it better, because shit, nobody wants to make it better charleston white reminds me of, um, that squirrel thing from ice age, the one that was chasing that nut the whole time. No, he's stick meaner. No, I mean like what he looks like physically. He looked like stick meaner. No, I mean like what he looks like physically he looks like stick meaner too.
Speaker 1:You can see he's stick meaner with the eyes.
Speaker 2:He looks like, he has like, not the. He doesn't have the correct amount of jaw definition, as he should as a man. But let's move on.
Speaker 1:I just want to say I just feel like what he does is he does what Gillian Wallow should be doing in a lesser degree, and he should. They should be exposing and shaming and calling people out. You don't have to do it to the degree that charleston white does, but because there's nobody doing that, that's why he has to be so extreme and why it makes the noise that it does. Um, let's get into. Our girls are back beefing, so I want to be able to have this conversation without you just shitting on them, can we? Is that possible?
Speaker 2:You go ahead and take this, because I don't know these bitches.
Speaker 1:So, bridget and Mandy, see the thing is, it's officially been broken up and there's been a lot of back and forth. And you do know who Bridget Kelly is. You watched her reality show.
Speaker 2:I know I watched her on Love and Hip Hop, so that's how you don't know these bitches.
Speaker 1:So Bridget Kelly went out on a Patreon which I was not finna pay for. So I'm glad Danny from the Stop watched it for me and did a recap where she talked about her response to the claims that Bridget was saying about her and things of that nature. And they did say it was partly of the deal that went out that ran out. But also she was saying that mandy was a tyrant, she was trying to control everything, trying to take over everything, and bridget just wasn't really trying to have that. Like she was seeing that what was going on and she saw that there was a lot of things that she wasn't comfortable with and she even started to say, like mandy made a girl cry on a live show and all this other stuff, like so she was really just trying to make it seem like Mandy was this bully amongst the team where she was trying to control everything. And then she was like well, you should be responsible for a lot because you were. You know, it was your studio, it was everything. You know, you were the ones who were familiar.
Speaker 1:Why she do that? Why she do that? Because Mandy did a epic crash out. So in the podcasting community, a crash out isn't beating up somebody or you know dumping out somebody. You know guns at a nigga house. It's going on a platform you're not getting paid for and doing a 62 minute rant. She did a whole episode on her live, pretty much by herself. She went in and she started cooking and it was pretty much me being right. What I said about Bridget Kelly is Bridget Kelly is somebody who wants things to come to her and Mandy is someone who makes things come to her.
Speaker 1:That was the main thing she said. She said Bridget was late to a show because she had the bubble guts, because of her hair, because of traffic. She said that bridget came to me and said she wanted to learn this business, she wanted to be a pod boss, she wanted to be an owner. That bitch was just talent, she was lazy, she was just like, said she, just, like many people, just want to show up and get the sauce. They don't want to do no work, they don't want to grind, but they want to be compensated and treated as such. And Mandy wasn't just tired of that, because she said, bro, you were supposed to do the freshly squeezed segments and you couldn't book no talent. She couldn't even do her portion of the job. And then it basically surmised in Danny saying, hey, is Bridget Kelly lazy? And I'm going to say, yes, most women who look like her are. They are. When you're an attractive woman, you're generally going to be lazy. It's just kind of part of the course.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't have to work hard.
Speaker 1:Just think about this, it's just kind of part of course, yeah, Like, uh, you don't have to work hard, Everything like. Just think about this. Look at Bridget Kelly 10 years ago. She's a very attractive woman then. There's no reason why she shouldn't have been on with, with rock nation behind her, why she shouldn't be getting the songs that some of the songs that Rihanna got, some of the songs that um Tia be getting the songs that some of the songs that rihanna got some of the songs that um tia marie and all these other women were getting.
Speaker 2:There's a specific formula of things that need to happen and she didn't have the specific formula no, she didn't want to work.
Speaker 1:Her ass was lazy I.
Speaker 1:That's part of the specific formula she was saying that, uh, in one of her old interviews or one of the times that she was talking about, what went wrong was she was trying to do like some Avril Lavigne, like black Avril Lavigne girl, girl type shit, and they wanted her to do more R&B shit. And to me that's that's just artist code, for they wanted me to do the work and actually show that I can produce singles within my genre or in this genre before I expand. And I didn't want to do that work and that's's why, like the whole time, I wanted to be on Bridget's side. I really did, I was trying my best but, man, the way that Mandy was breaking that shit down, it was just very clear that Bridget was literally just trying to get a check off her and was getting money off of her labor and work and that just wasn't cool with me.
Speaker 1:I could see where that beef was there and I'm I would be. I would hey, I've done the same thing. When it came to other people trying to eat off of my labor and my work, I said, no, I'm no longer doing that. I'm going to eat off my work and I. Only people who want to eat off my work will be people that I can also eat off their plate. So so I just understand that, especially when Mandy was doing two shows, she was still doing horrible decisions.
Speaker 1:Oh, I didn't realize she's doing horrible decisions and still doing this. See, the thing is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I stopped listening to horrible decisions. I was listening to it for like a month.
Speaker 1:I mean they pretty much outsourced everything to Black Effect effect. So that's probably why it wasn't as much work for her on that end, where she probably could just come in as talent because they pretty much signed off to black effect. So I can get that where's like I got one gig where I'm just doing my job, I'm spitting on the mic and going horrible decisions is more popular of a podcast than See. The Thing is right Audio-wise for sure yeah.
Speaker 1:But See, the Thing is they were more YouTube-based, so their numbers were a lot bigger on YouTube. Because, as far as women-led podcasts like Horrible Decisions was one of the early ones. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Horrible Decisions is always going to be in the mix. Why did she need to do? See the Thing.
Speaker 1:Is she wanted. She was having problems with wheezy like during that same time when she was moving over. There were some questions about were her and wheezy gonna keep doing the show and stuff like that and there was some beef there.
Speaker 1:But in the midst of her doing both shows her and wheezy got back cool and then Bridget and her relationship was deteriorating the whole time okay like it was funny, like she was even talking about how old uh Joe was talking to her and she said that this is, this was her idea to work with Bridget Kelly through Joe Mandy. That was why I thought she was on some BS, because Joe don't see Mandy as a legit person out here. I don't think Joe sees her as a serious person at all. Like I think he wanted Bridget. He wanted to take Bridget from Mandy. When they broke up and he was having a Rory Mall breakup, that was his first person to go to was Bridget.
Speaker 2:I never knew what they looked like, the horrible decisions. Like the other girl.
Speaker 2:No, I only like you said. It's very audio popular. I only listened to it on on Apple podcasts in the car. I mostly only listened to podcasts in the car. I don't know what any like they're on. Don't call me white girl Phelps, I could. I could literally close my eyes and listen and like know what his voice looks like, sounds like. I have no idea what this man looks like. I couldn't tell you if he's light-skinned, dark-skinned, tall, short hair, no hair, bald. Have no idea so this is kind of what.
Speaker 1:I wanted to get to in the last conversation with it. As you, being a woman, how do you feel enter, when you enter potential businesses like with another woman that y'all may not share similar business or work ethics? Do you think that? Who do you see yourself more of? And then I guess that can help me answer my question do you see yourself?
Speaker 2:as a bridget, so as a bridget, bridget, but I would, I, I would not this okay sign up to be more than just talent like I'm, I'm telling you, like, if I'm signing up for a second podcast, bitch, I'm showing up and I'm doing that and I'm reposting things. I'm showing up and I'm reposting and that's all I'm giving you.
Speaker 1:They said that's what mandy said bridget wasn't even uploading. She said bridget told her her wi-fi wasn't good enough to upload from her place.
Speaker 2:Upload. I'm not uploading things. Y'all are uploading the episode from the page I am reposting. That's what I said. I'm showing up, I'm reposting.
Speaker 1:But I'm saying with Bridget, if you were supposed to be an owner and the one thing they asked you to do was upload, and you're talking about you can't even upload because of your Wi-Fi.
Speaker 2:You to do was upload and you talking about you can't even upload. Yeah, that's bullshit. That's bullshit. You're literally like what?
Speaker 1:what was the reason you're not a? You're not a serious person like for real, you're not a serious person like that shit is so bothering when, like you have to really deal with that. That's why I just completely understand mandy so much. And I just want to say, before I get to that point, do you feel like it's hard to adjust to a woman where you're? You say you're Bridget, so you would be more wanting things to come to you. Do you think that's hard to adjust? If you were working with somebody, with a woman who wanted you to be more on the go, do you feel like there would be a bumping of heads?
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%, because I don't want to go.
Speaker 1:So what if you even told her at one point let's just say you did one of your saying things and you just told her yeah, I want to be a boss in this with you too. Do you feel like there's still work that she should just be allocated to because she's more familiar with it and you're not really taking a real portion in that?
Speaker 2:If I'm telling you I want you to teach me things, then obviously you're going to have to take the lead. Like I'm telling you that I want you to show me the way, Obviously you're going to have to lead the fucking way. That's that I feel like that goes without saying. But do you think after?
Speaker 1:two years two years is after two years and you're still not bringing anything else to the table Like yeah, because after two years then I should be able to take the lead you should be able to upload. Yeah, like something at some point. Yeah, you should be able to call some of your friends to do a performance. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because then if I'm not doing that, then I'm lazy, obviously, and then we're bumping heads.
Speaker 1:So I just thought that was just really interesting. And again, I just understand when you have to deal with unserious people and they try to pretend like they're serious. That's the worst kind People who try to pretend like they're serious and they're not and they try to talk to you like they're I don't even and they try to been generally, then try to then try to talk to you like they're why you want to get into it right now.
Speaker 1:Start getting triggered because that shit is annoying. Try to make it seem like they fucking okay. Let's go change the subject. Um, kim kardashian. Kim kardashian, she's been taking a lot of heat lately. Uh, apparently there was a report saying her and odell beckham were dating.
Speaker 1:She did a little interview where she talked about about that well, I mean, it wasn't they, this was just them actually coming out like it was like the beginning of this month where the reports of them actually saying, hey, we're official type thing. She ends up doing an interview where they talk about, you know, her plans on having any kids in the future. Odell comes up and basically she implies that, even if it's she has to financially incentivize it, she would like to have a child with odell due to, uh, what she quote as genetics. When I heard that, I felt like that was buck breeding at the highest order. Literally it was buck breeding. That's what it felt like kim that felt like that was buck breeding at the highest order. Literally it was buck breeding. That's what it felt like him that felt like buck breeding you can't even carry the child, no more yourself.
Speaker 2:So you're gonna take your egg and you're gonna take his sperm, and then you're gonna put it in another human another probably black woman, probably just so that you can get like a pretty baby that can run fast.
Speaker 2:You dumb fucking bitch, are you like? Are you out of your goddamn mind? Like all of that silicone fucking went through your bloodstream and got to your brain and fucking deteriorate, deteriorated your, your brain matter, because what the fuck are you saying right now? Are you fucking serious? Like I haven't liked the kardashians and dumb long, but like once in a while they'll like, they'll pull out a look and I'm like, oh, bitch, like I don't like you, but like you be putting that shit on. But like you always remind me of why I don't like you.
Speaker 1:Bitches, all of you are fucking dense so if she said this about a white man, would you feel like it was?
Speaker 2:same shit it would bother you same it wouldn't bother me the exact same because of the history of eugenics and buck breeding and all of the things that have happened with the black community specifically. So no, I wouldn't be as mad. I would still think you were specifically as stupid, though I would still think you were equally as stupid, but I wouldn't be as angry.
Speaker 1:Personally, as a black woman, I wouldn't feel as bad personally as a black woman, I wouldn't feel as bad if she was actually putting her body on the line this bitch is stupid. I'm just saying I wouldn't feel as bad if she was putting her body on the line.
Speaker 2:She's not. She's putting somebody else's body on the line.
Speaker 1:That's where I have to critique at. Whereas like, okay, if you was actually having a baby.
Speaker 2:You want aesthetic babies and you want another bitch to push it out for you. Go ahead, baby.
Speaker 1:Are you sure? Are you going to let me? I'm going to let you. These bitches get me tight. I mean, they're my girls, so I'm not going to act like I'm a hater on them. I watch their show still.
Speaker 2:Every Thursday. They are fucking dumb.
Speaker 1:I like dumb women.
Speaker 2:Kris Jenner is the smartest out of the bunch.
Speaker 1:I mean I don't like her that much. Women chris jenner is the smartest out of the bunch. I mean I don't like her that much. I like dumb women, so they my favorite. Are you calling me fucking dumb?
Speaker 2:I didn't say that.
Speaker 1:But uh, what I was. What I was saying was I can, I just feel like, if she just would have, if she's the one who was going through the pregnancy, putting her body on the line, almost potentially, you know, dying because of this, you can say whatever you want, honestly about having somebody kid. You can't put it in another person and then be like, yeah, I want to keep bringing out the kardashian line I need to know what this quote was.
Speaker 1:Odell beckham version I mean, basically she was just like she wanted. She thinks that odell got great genetics and that they would have great looking kids and she would, uh, want them to have the kid, even if she had to financially incentivize it.
Speaker 2:That's what she said. She wants to pay this nigga for his fast running sperm.
Speaker 1:Essentially Because Kanye ain't producing no athletes. Let's be honest, no, that little short little nigga ain't producing real athletes.
Speaker 2:He's producing kids with social anxiety.
Speaker 1:Maybe he got one with some good art talent, but they ain't no athletes.
Speaker 2:They're definitely going to be trendsetters and they're going to be it girls, it boys, definitely, but they're not going to be running fast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that 40 time is definitely in the sixes, so I can definitely see that, but I just wondered. I thought that was so fucking fucked, fucked up, and at this point.
Speaker 2:The. The athletes are making more, more money than the music artists. The music artists are broke, all of them. Niggas is on tour dropping albums like the money is drying up. You were right. Everybody's broke. I tried to tell you. Everybody is broke. Nikki minaj is broke this.
Speaker 1:Nigga odell don't even got a team right now. He's not signed to anybody. He was. He signed with the the ravens, but they let him go this offseason oh is odell like getting shitty oh, knees fucked up. Oh yeah, it happens.
Speaker 2:Apparently they broke up too I wanted to ask you this while we're on sports, because lebron, we talked about his podcast last episode. Do you think that he is trying to like slowly transition into his like after basketball career since he's starting the podcast?
Speaker 1:now, yeah, I mean he's been doing that, but no he's been doing the podcast.
Speaker 1:No, he's been doing transitioning stuff like movies and stuff like that, but he said something at the end of this last episode that was so troubling to me. So the episode is wrapped up and so this is just kind of like that end of you know show. Banter and him and JJ are talking about wine and he says JJ, I don't have any problem bringing the wine, I have tons of it, I just don't have anyone to drink it with maybe Savannah doesn't drink that sounds like a lonely when you say I don't have anyone to drink it with.
Speaker 1:she could put water in her cup and you drink the wine with her.
Speaker 2:I would hate if you did that if I was drinking. I'm like I'm drinking wine by myself. Just as if you're drinking water. Next to me, I'm drinking wine by myself.
Speaker 1:That sounds like a hurt man when I heard that I was sitting there like oh shit, listen that.
Speaker 2:I was sitting there like oh shit, listen that nigga begged for that white boy to come drink wine with them. You have spent these last two episodes trying to spread the narrative that there is trouble in the james household and I am not having it because they are a pillar of black love.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying when I heard that, I said they need to stay together when I saw that I was like damn this like that over there that nigga ain't ain't got nobody to pop Cristal with. That's it. Is it Cristal champagne? Yeah, no, just saying that just uncultured swine, don't. What does that say about you, though?
Speaker 4:You're a pork eater. I'm not attentive and I don't pay attention.
Speaker 1:Well, we can stay on sports real quick. Have you heard about the sports betting that's been going on?
Speaker 2:Sports betting Like prize picks.
Speaker 1:Nah, like niggas is betting while they're playing in professional athletes.
Speaker 2:The professional athletes are betting on the professional games. First of all, if I'm a professional athlete and I'm betting. I'm kicking you, I'm doing something'm kicking you, I'm I'm I'm doing something. What do you mean? You're kicking I'm taking you out the night before I'm spiking your drink that's not how this works, so so you can lose, that's not how?
Speaker 1:no, no, we're, they're not. That's the thing about what's going on, so I'll get into that. That actually is the second person who we're talking about. So you know, uh, shohan otoni otoni. No, so he is. What the fuck is that he just signed with the dodgers of this past offseason okay, and the dodgers are what team? La dodgers in which sports? Okay, I'm like what?
Speaker 2:what do they play? I'm saying, you don't know the dodgers baseball you from.
Speaker 1:No, they used to be the brooklyn dodgers, whatever so he just signed, he just signed.
Speaker 1:He just signed as the pitcher for them. He was actually with the, with the Los Angeles Angels, so he just went basically next door to the other team next door. But his interpreter had allegedly four million dollars in gambling debt. And the story was so crazy because it started off and it was like otani was paying off, just giving him money to pay off the debt, like that's all it was, when he got caught up in some debt and nigga just paid off and nigga was like hold on, who the fuck is giving you four million dollars in credit to just gamble with nobody's's doing that? Then it kind of comes out that this nigga is stealing money from the player and betting the money.
Speaker 2:Then it comes out again. Oh my God, how many things came out.
Speaker 1:Then it comes out they try to clean up again and say, oh, that was just a misinterpretation. The whole time the interpreter is the one saying all this.
Speaker 2:He's the one putting out all this information. That was a misinterpretation, but he's the interpreter. The interpreter, yo. They said.
Speaker 1:Nick Wright was talking about this right. He said they was having to try to get these documents and stuff to go through so that they knew Otani was up to date on what this whole conflict was. They sent it to the interpreter, the compromised nigga Yo Otani was.
Speaker 2:I believe otani was a part of this. I don't think so what? Where is otani from?
Speaker 1:like, we're china, okay, thank you china, yeah, chinese, you chinese guy, okay a chinese man.
Speaker 2:And oh, baseball, baseball, baseball, baseball.
Speaker 1:Yeah I think he might be. Let me make sure he's not Japanese.
Speaker 2:Are you Chinese or Japanese? Japanese would also. I feel like the Japanese play more baseball than the Chinese. Oh, he is Japanese, yeah.
Speaker 1:Damn. Call that nigga Chinese. Are you Chinese or Japanese? You know where that's from, King of the Hill.
Speaker 2:Oh, I definitely don't know where that's from. That was way too Caucasian for me to consume.
Speaker 1:Oh well, I will stay on this yeah so this joint is just crazy.
Speaker 1:This whole story has just been crazy. The type of money that's being talked about for the gambling is just what's the? That's the most shocking part. But I do think he was gambling. I'm going to be honest with you them niggas like to gamble over there. Yeah, like I'm going to be honest with you them niggas like to gamble over there. Yeah, like them niggas like to give it up. There was a nigga I went to school with who was an exchange student. They showed this nigga how to play spades. He was throwing all the money on the table. They used to clean this nigga out. I'm talking about not just little $20 games. They was hitting this nigga up for meal tickets. Oh wow, for swipes. This nigga was going hungry, I can't get.
Speaker 2:They like to gamble, gambling.
Speaker 1:Them niggas like to give it up. Seeing this nigga calling back home, this nigga was shiny. I remember hearing that nigga.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:That's what he did.
Speaker 2:We gotta cut that out. That's what the nigga did. We have to cut that out. That's what the nigga did. We have to cut that out. That's what the nigga did, Because that didn't sound. You sounded more like a mosquito than anything else. That's what the nigga did. Like this nigga is so intensely racist towards the Asian community.
Speaker 1:That's what it sounded like. And the next thing, you know, he showed me he had money in his account and he was back at it. That nigga was ready. I ain't never seen nothing like that in my life, bro, I hate this nigga so much. I'm just telling you that nigga was ready. He was about it. He was about it. Yo, he was ready. I'm just saying. But there was another dude too. So you remember we talked about Michael Porter Jr.
Speaker 2:Yes, I do remember that man, so his brother is involved in some stuff.
Speaker 1:So remember how you was talking about just taking somebody out the game. That ain't what these niggas is doing. These niggas don't bet like that anymore. Betting ain't just betting on the game anymore. You bet on an actual person and what they gonna do in that game oh, so yeah, you bet on like how many rebounds they're gonna get points cross turnovers.
Speaker 1:I said crossovers there's probably a bookie somewhere that will count the crossovers and let you fucking bet on that shit a niche bookie yeah so this nigga right here had two days right where he ended up playing and he had tons of people.
Speaker 1:This is probably like when they said wanted to hire uh bet to the night where folks betting on him and all his unders and it happened twice, it was a regularities and they said both nights folks was winning stupid money off his ass when, like, he had to shoot one three. He came in the game, got hit in the eye and he didn't shoot, so he ended up folks ended up winning that. And then he had another game where the same, where they did all his unders and I think he aggravated something and he ended up sitting that game out too. My thing was I thought when you got hurt they just waved. From my experience with betting, they just waved. They usually wave it out. If you get hurt before the end of the game, you don't finish the game, they just-.
Speaker 2:That doesn't count. They just take the bet away count.
Speaker 1:They just take the bed away. So it only counts if, like in the entire game, they did this or or they didn't. They never left the game for injury. Yeah, that's how it. That's how I've always expected I would.
Speaker 2:I would put that clause in my shit if I was like a what prize picks or whatever you know, so I could give less money to people but I gotta play the whole game.
Speaker 1:The thing is is like, with the type of money that he's making, you can see where it could be advantageous for him to do that, because it don't seem like it's innocuous. Oh, if I don't shoot, who's gonna really know that jonte porter didn't shoot a three tonight, even though I was maybe wide open a few times or and didn't even attempt? And didn't even attempt it like who's gonna really know? That's going to really pay attention to that and I could probably make my game check twice over if I bet the right way. But I think a lot of these niggas is doing this like kai sanat.
Speaker 2:So you think that?
Speaker 1:they're. I don't think players are doing this. I think there's a lot of people okay, I thought you meant like players, oh I think there's a lot of people who are associated with this uh, sports gambling shit are doing this. I'll put one out there, and this is all legend gilbert arenas you back on there again. Gilbert, you back on the show again. So gilbert had a shootout right the the whole shootout. No, you know, he brought guns into the arena, right? Is that why you said that?
Speaker 2:No, oh, that's what I thought you meant, not Ja, morant.
Speaker 1:Sr. Well, he brought it into the job. He brought guns into the locker room. Different type of nigga. Gilbert is my nigga, though, but Gilbert Arenas he's with Underdog. They have a shootout where they're doing basketball shootouts. He had an over-under that he knew for four days before the shootout. His was 18. This nigga shot 12. You don't think there's some funny business going on with that?
Speaker 1:There's definitely some funny business. This is my theory that the whole time they making it seem like it's a competition amongst them oh uh, I'm gonna beat you, I'm gonna beat you, I'm better than you. They talking shit for weeks about this to get everybody to bet the over, because they think these niggas really coming out here to shoot and I think they had it set up for them to bet all them to bet the under. So they end up just taking all the money from the people who was gambling and then PrizePix split it even Because that shit didn't make no sense.
Speaker 2:You know what that makes sense? Because PrizePix does give all of these people who have endorsements. They give them allocations of money.
Speaker 1:They're not betting their own money, yeah they're betting drink and steak when Drewski is coming out saying he made a million dollars on prize picks. Like he did not, like that was not money of his own.
Speaker 2:They don't even let you bet that much to do that. That's crazy, but that wasn't. I was going to let me finish before addressing how fucking crazy that is, but that's not his own money that he bet in the first place. Also, why are these niggas lying about that shit?
Speaker 1:Because it's a scam, but no shit, because it's a scam, but no, because it's a scam. These niggas are finessing like. That's why I used to always laugh when drake used to place his bets and show like nigga, that can't, that's not just your money, that's your money.
Speaker 2:They're giving back to you not only is that just your money. Why are you lying about the amount of money that you're betting, though? Because what is the maximum. Do you think that like there's different like levels that they maybe let you?
Speaker 1:it's just more it's just certain numbers that kind of they allocate. In a certain way they just relate better. Like mr b, she was talking about this, ten thousand dollar looks better than a thousand dollars on a youtube video. So it's just about when I'm pitching this to. It just looks better if I say you want a million dollars rather than $100,000.
Speaker 2:I just scratched under my wig Go ahead.
Speaker 1:I'm leaving that part in there.
Speaker 2:No, but you can leave me saying it, but don't leave me doing it.
Speaker 1:But no, I just think that this is like we got to kind of expect this to happen. But you know, what the problem is Is that everybody who's in sports because it's so tough to get a dollar now are a part of this. So nobody's going to compromise, everybody's compromised, and nobody's going to talk real when it comes to sports gambling. What's its effect on the game? Who's being affected by it? Who's, uh being affected by it? Who's being negatively affected by it? No one's gonna have the real conversation because they're in everybody's pockets, even when I talk to joe even when I talk to joe on spaces.
Speaker 1:I asked him about like so quick flex, I you know. I asked him. I was like so you don't feel like you are kind of compromised in a way where you're telling people to bet but then you don't have? Like you are kind of compromised in a way where you're telling people to bet but then you don't have no disclaimer on your product, anywhere about it? And he gave me some mumble jumble about pickums and oh, this isn't gambling, this is, you know, pickums and all this other he was giving me all the jargon he was literally giving me.
Speaker 2:All the jargon Is that not a type of gambling, though?
Speaker 1:It is. It's just a different type of gambling.
Speaker 2:It's still going to give you the same feeling if you're addicted to gambling, and it's still going to cause the same thing at the end of the day. So the Slimmer still needs to be there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's why I feel like all that stuff is going to. The chickens are going to come home to roost to this, Everybody's chickens are coming home to roost Diddy's, Kendrick's and sports gambling betting is going to come.
Speaker 2:And Drake's.
Speaker 1:Because this nigga just like gobbling. Audrey Diggs, for some reason you are a disrespectful little somebody. You know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when these cameras and these lights are on, you are less my husband, more my podcast partner, which means I can openly disrespect you way more than I regularly see.
Speaker 1:I can't do that because then after the show it's a conversation. Because I'm emotional, there's a little sensitive ass to be over there. Start crying and shit talking about. You're so mean to me, I'm sensitive. That's crazy. That's fucking crazy. But I just think that that's gonna be an interesting Conversation to have. Yo Y'all niggas need to put them disclaimers out there, bro. They coming at you and it's gonna look real, real bad in the light. Hey, before we go to this next topic, your girl shouted out Danny.
Speaker 1:Who was my girl Lex Dreya Yep, oh she uh, hold on, let me see if I can find her tweet. So Lex was saying she said I'm sorry, I love the mess. I've been watching the stop videos all day. It's giving Annie Cohen with podcasts.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love that Love.
Speaker 1:Lex. And then I said who said the WeWorks couldn't get the baddies? That was our group name, WeWorks. Okay, If you're not part of it, you won't know. All right, man, we got to get into this shit. About to be some light skin on light skin crime about to happen right now. I'm for real yo. Like this nigga.
Speaker 1:honestly, this little red nigga make me fucking sick. I'm tired of his ass, Because this ain't the first thing. First you let your bitch just walk all over you talking crazy in the media, talking about uh she, she missed she, she missed niggas coming at her and all this other shit. She hate that. You a star. So first that's crazy, then you go out here and sign petitions against affordable housing.
Speaker 2:For people who make not even just poor people, just people who make like minimum wage. Yeah, these like. No, this is like hardworking mothers. It's not even minimum wage.
Speaker 1:This is like niggas who are making like 80 to 100K type shit, like I guess for California it'd probably be like 100 to like 120 or whatever. But these niggas are like moderately, that's not minimum wage for California. I didn't say minimum wage for California.
Speaker 1:You would hope it's your minimum wage, but shit, that's not the federal. I mean, that's not the state minimum wage, but that's like middle, lower middle class people was, and even that's still a lot of money for low middle class. That's what the housing was for. And this yellow ass nigga gonna sign a petition saying he ain't for it, he don't want it in his area, he don't want these folks, he want a fence built up so they can't see over. And now this motherfucker, steph curry, then teamed up with seth mcfarland to ruin one of my favorite ips. Temporary layoffs good fucking time. Easy credit ripoffs. I don't think like I don't think people understand how important this show is all right, hold on not too much.
Speaker 1:Now it's time to get serious I don't think folks understand how important this show is.
Speaker 1:This show has always been a very important to me. Oh, that's nigga, just it's not. Even I wasn't around when it first came out. I just watched the on tv one when I was home, just like everybody else. Cable, have an ass, hey, we lived good over there, baby, but no, it's just, it was this. This show has meant so much to me, just to see a black family who loved each other, who cared about each other, who put each other first. A show that addressed the systematic issues that caused their poverty. They didn't just sit there and blame the neighborhood for everything. They went and they talked about the systematic issues, the race issues that were going on in communities that led to what was going on in the projects at that time. This was a real show that not only made you laugh, it made you cry. Some episodes it made you mad. I still hate Florida to this day because that bitch is the worst TV mom of all time.
Speaker 2:She's the worst. He talks about it regularly.
Speaker 1:She's the worst Kept that family in poverty because of her weak-ass morals. Fuck your morals. At the end of the day, that show resonated with people because it was true, we may not have it all, but because we have each other, we gonna have a good time, and that was the beautiful part about this show, and you'll see that this fucking, it was a lie this we're broke, we're gonna have a terrible time.
Speaker 1:I mean, again, they're talking about it in the, the environment that they're at, in that time where they can only make the best of what they have. Terrible fucking time. This shit here. What they turn this into is fucking a travesty. So they're doing an animated Good Times executive produced by Steph Curry, Seth MacFarlane. There was another guy on there. What was his name? Something Leard. Yeah another white guy. It's a very very old white man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very, another white guy it was. It's a very, very old white man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, very niche white guy. Um, and just to just see what they've turned us into is just so fucking disgusting. So they have some of the elements in this new good times again. Granted, it's animated. They have a baby who's selling drugs.
Speaker 2:A young black kid is selling drugs in his diaper it's not, it's, it's, it's literally a baby, not young black kid, it's a baby.
Speaker 1:It's fully a baby they also got essentially like like the Dave Chappelle joke, where there was a baby on the corner selling Norman.
Speaker 1:Lear okay, that was the other guy who was the executive producer. Um, they also got what else they had. They had they turned a baby. They basically had him doing that was selling drugs. The oldest son has been in 10th grade for three years. Yeah, Literally writing a mama to be some, you know, obsessed for color Jesus person. They got a scene in there where Jesus is getting a phone call saying hey, phone, new phone, who this, who this?
Speaker 1:so yeah, the there's another, so it's right here yeah, that was the scene with Jesus. There's another this is black. There's another scene that they had where they showed the supposed rival gangs shooting from building to building at each other like it was a fucking um super jail to show like they really out here turning this wholesome black show into a destructive propaganda machine let me be the devil's advocate.
Speaker 2:Advocate really quickly, because I did also watch the trailer for this and then, before that, this specific scene of the gang shooting at each other. There is a scene of like basically, fbi with wheelbarrows of guns, like running the guns into the building. So maybe they didn't. I'm, I'm hoping this is like my, my black hope that they didn't show the nuance of like them, them showing like how the drugs got into the neighborhood and how the guns got into the neighborhood.
Speaker 2:And you said that good times focused on like the systematic problems. So maybe that, maybe, hopefully, this show will focus on that more and they just didn't put that in the trailer because that's not fun and it's not funny and it's not gonna catch people that much. But they did put that one. That one little part did give me like a little bit of hope that maybe this would be like the original good times and would focus on like why the projects are the way they are no, instead of just like um characterizing the, the people who do live in the project I will say this carl jones is the creator of the show.
Speaker 1:He worked on the boom docs, he worked on the last og black dynamite, so like very satirical musical. I don't know if you remember freak nick the musical.
Speaker 2:No, I don't know we should watch freak nick onak Nick on Hulu. Yeah, we could watch it Because it came out.
Speaker 1:But Freak Nick the Musical was with T-Pain. He was voicing the ghost of Freak Nick.
Speaker 2:Okay, so if he's the producer?
Speaker 1:He also was an executive producer on Young Love. Okay, the show with Issa Rae, the animated show you didn't like the.
Speaker 2:Issa Rae. It wasn't for my age demographic at all. I didn't like the way it was timed, but the fact that he's in the mix and then just I'm really.
Speaker 1:That's the only reason I'm going to give it a chance and why I'm going to watch. It is because of him.
Speaker 2:That and that one scene of the government running the wheelbarrow of guns into the black community. Like I'm hoping that there is some type of like explanation and nuance and any everything behind what we think is like terrible the baby selling drugs, the kid being in 10th grade for three years. Like hopefully there's a reason systematically that actually happens in black america that explains all of these things and it's just eyeopening instead of just like characterizing and characterizing and making fun of people who live in the projects.
Speaker 1:Steph Curry, if you don't have any of these elements on there, you are going to be labeled the biggest coon on the planet.
Speaker 2:I don't like the, the lineup of people who are producing it. Like. I don't like that.
Speaker 1:Steph Curry is his mom, steph curry no, she's light-skinned too, but that family's so fucked up. His mama with a white man remember that I don't know if you heard about his mama and his daddy end up basically switching partners with another white couple be after they divorce oh, so his mom is with a white man and his dad is with a black woman and those and that white and black woman were once married, that white and white woman and white man were once married to each other.
Speaker 2:Oh goddamn messy, we need to get into that answer.
Speaker 1:That was, that's old though I don't know if they still even dating now, but that was definitely old uh, but no, like I'm saying this, the one thing about this is and I guess a lot of people will jump to the boom docs when they talk about the criticism the boom docs, they had a message with what they were doing kind of like what you were saying like even if you pulled a nigga moment where they had the two niggas shooting at each other and they didn't kill each other after the nigga moment happened, like there was messages and symbolisms and uh, hyperbole taking place.
Speaker 1:There was parody and satire being done. This here boondocks was beautifully done to take this ip and turn boondocks into baby kids. Steph curry, you're gonna have a lot to answer to from what the trailer looks like.
Speaker 2:That's what it looks like right now we're gonna, for sure we're gonna take this clip up and we're gonna. We're gonna clip it up from when we actually see it and we'll see if there's an actual difference and what the trailer looks like and what the show looks like. I really Steph, you being the only black, they got your ass Half black.
Speaker 1:They put your black-ass name top of everybody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't like that and I hope that, like as a black man with a black mother, you advocated for what the actual black experience is. I don't know what your life was like. I don't know if you actually felt it.
Speaker 1:I didn't really actually feel that was a fucking nba player. He was okay. You didn't feel it you didn't feel it.
Speaker 2:You didn't feel it as I did not, okay, so, um yeah, I don't know. I'm, I'm, I'm holding out hope before we see this.
Speaker 1:I'm not a believer. Like I said this nigga. This feel like the dude who laughed at the white boy saying nigga. Like this is what it feel like. Like you was the black kid who was laughing with the white boys that was saying nigga.
Speaker 2:This just reminds me of the, the quiet on set thing, of the, the kids selling the drugs, like the, like that, that skit like it's. It's just unnecessary like I.
Speaker 1:I just think when we do projects and things like that, we have to be really mindful. And for that trailer to focus so much on the negativity when that wasn't what Good Times was about, that's how. That's just a fucking problem.
Speaker 2:That's exactly how I feel about the society of the magical black, negro or whatever that movie is.
Speaker 2:At least that wasn't an old IP, though, like this is an IP that we knew, I do still want to go see that because I feel like, since the cast came out and said that this isn't what we think it is and blah, blah, blah and there's more they they said that there's more nuance to the whole idea and whatever, I do want to go, I do want to see it. But I feel like that gives the same vibe like the trailer was, so it focused so much on, like the shock factor that it didn't give us the full picture and now we're just mad and we're just.
Speaker 1:We just don't want to watch it I hate when actors say that, because all the all the surmises is to one scene where the everybody's questioning what's going on but nobody stands on anything. That's what it's all going to come down. I'm pretty sure when we watch it it's going to be one scene where it's going to be slightly a deep moment that doesn't yeah, it's been out in theaters. It did trash in theaters. Nobody fucking went to go see that shit.
Speaker 2:Okay, I didn't. Yeah, so obviously it didn't. It doesn't have any nuance or anything in the because we would have heard about it by now no, it's not.
Speaker 1:Like I said, the nuance is probably one particular scene where they have some heartfelt race discussion that surmises in everybody just has to be better. That's literally what it comes down to. Nobody's gonna hold anybody accountable, and that's just the fucking problem with all this. Like I said, steph kerr, if you ruin this beloved ip for me, I will fire your ass up on this show every fucking day nicole byer is one of the main characters in the American Society of Magical Negroes, so that's how I know it's not funny at all.
Speaker 2:She is fucking terrible bro.
Speaker 3:Terrible.
Speaker 2:Terrible Bro, like terrible Risa Tisa, that wig sitting on her head like a helmet. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about her looks. I'm talking about the fact that her comedy is not up to par at all, ever it's not holding weight you saying that because she big back yeah let me see.
Speaker 1:You called her a big bag. You could just said heavyset. You didn't care about her feelings at all because she's a heavyset woman she's a brick and I'm making it all hang out on.
Speaker 2:She's a so I I was googling the american society of magical negroes and um the black character from that Pixar movie, soul.
Speaker 1:He came up. Yeah, that's sick.
Speaker 2:Obvious, he was very much a magical Negro, though.
Speaker 1:But that's JB Smoove ain't it, Wasn't that. Who that? Yeah, he's going to be the voice of JJ. No.
Speaker 2:JB Smoove generally is typecasted as the magical Negro. Oh, I was just going to say the voice.
Speaker 1:He's as the magical Negro. Oh, I was just going to say he's going to be JJ in the Good. Time show.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, he's going to be the voice of JJ. I feel like he has a coon voice.
Speaker 1:Let's get into these serious topics real quick before we get out of here, there were serious topics. Yeah, man, we had the Russia attack. One was RIP to those people who lost their life in Moscow.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, the Maryland.
Speaker 1:Bridge collapse. It was Baltimore Bridge.
Speaker 2:Oh, baltimore Bridge collapse, francis Keyes.
Speaker 1:Which is a major bridge that was, you know, collapsed due to an accident with a cargo ship. Cargo ship ran into one of their medians Like one of the load-bearing thingies.
Speaker 2:And first of all, why the fuck? Why was that ship that close to that thing that it wasn't supposed? You were supposed to go under the arches, sir. Under the arches, why were?
Speaker 1:you close to either of those things?
Speaker 2:I don't drive ships but I feel like it goes slow. It goes real slow in one direction and it takes a while to turn it in the other direction.
Speaker 1:Why did you not realize that it was going in? I don know anything else. You want to talk to the people before we let them go?
Speaker 2:I saw this video on the interwebs. It might have died down about um now a little bit, but I still feel very passionately about it. There was this like older gentleman and he was at the Whataburger and there were these two ladies and they were telling him he was like I ain't fresh. He was like I ain't fresh and he they were like nah, and you could in his face. I feel like I don't want to say like I'm.
Speaker 2:I get very emotional when I see things and I see that like people probably feel bad, so his face change and like his whole demeanor change and I was like y'all really like fucked with his confidence. Like he really stepped out thinking that he was fresh and then y'all fucked with his confidence and said that he wasn't. And I was like why do y'all have to be? Why do you guys have to be so unnecessarily unpleasant? Why do you have to be so mean? For no goddamn reason. Like if I'm asking you, if he fresh, be like yeah, you fresh. Like, especially if he's like a little bit older, yeah, you got that shit on. Like there's. No, it doesn't hurt you to just make somebody feel good. Real quick, I have an update. I got a whole Facebook page. He has brand deals. Now like he's making money off of this.
Speaker 2:He said that he's going to make sure that his brand is spreading positivity and making people feel good and now he's like financially benefiting off of like one moment that had him feeling like embarrassed and insecure. So I absolutely love that for him and, as somebody who used to be like made fun of, like, that original video triggered me a lot and I literally almost cried when I saw that video because I was like bro, why do y'all have to be so mean for no reason, like in this man's face? It costs nothing to be gentle and nice. It costs absolutely nothing. So, yeah, that made me really sad. And then the whole turnaround and everyone like supporting him and being positive on the internet made me really happy. So that's like a little bit of hope core for y'all.
Speaker 1:That's something I've been getting into on tiktok hope, hope core I think that this had to be probably one of the most controversial things. I mean, I kind of real hypocritical things that we've done on the podcast. We literally kick niggas back in all the time and now you was upset, because then he got his kick, his back kicked in.
Speaker 2:He didn't really like Like people. They were just making fun of him for no reason Because I thought like he was coordinated, he wasn't like on fly.
Speaker 1:He wasn't fresh. Oh, just keep it a bean, yo? He look like an old nigga who was selling the cabaks.
Speaker 2:He look like an old, fresh nigga, like for his age he had clean clothes on okay that shit wasn't fresh, he was coordinated that's all it was wasn't fresh.
Speaker 1:I feel like them bitches weren't necessarily mean, and then, like I don't know, studs got better gear than most normal guys, so they can call us not fresh gay bitches can dress. Yeah, honestly, so I can't. I wasn't mad once I saw it was a gay bitch. She wasn't really.
Speaker 2:You know that flesh, but no, because the gay bitch, when you can wear jeans like nothing when you can wear jeans without a dick.
Speaker 1:It just look better because your bulge be in there and sometimes it don't sit right, like sometimes you gotta get a bigger pair of jeans for your dick, so it's like big bowl I'll be looking at the studs. I'm like, damn, you ain't got no dick in there like that. Must that them pants is fitting comfortably I cannot.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying no dick in there that's all I wanted to say about that. I'm glad mr I ain't fresh is now a public figure on Facebook that has over like 150,000 likes. That's sick, yeah, and I'm one of them. I follow that man.
Speaker 6:Like sexless marriages or long-term relationships, and we assume that it's always the woman's fault. That is often the case, but it's definitely not always the case. Sometimes guys can lose their sexual attraction to their wives, not because they get old or they gain a bunch of weight or they stop putting effort into their appearance, but because they love them.
Speaker 10:What do you mean by that?
Speaker 6:They call this the Madonna whore complex in psychology. It's like it's actually hard to take somebody that you love not just the body, like the person inside the body that you love and cherish and care for, and bend her over and f*** her heart. It's really hard to do that. It's really hard to do that to the mother of your children and your sacred wife. Do you understand?
Speaker 6:It can be is that like they kind of have to have this switch in their mind where sometimes they have to be able to just objectify a woman in order to bend her over and give it to her real good, okay, in psycho analytic literature.
Speaker 2:This is from wikipedia, so take this with a grain of salt. A madonna horror complex is the inability to maintain sexual arousal within a committed loving relationship, first identified by Sigmund Freud, who called it the psychic impotence. It is a psychological complex that is said to develop in men who see women as either saintly Madonnas or debased whores. You niggas have no nuance in what you see, women?
Speaker 2:absolutely none. Well, you know something wrong with y'all, from the beginning of time up until now, and that's what I take from this well, you don't, you don't think about the conditioning that goes on with it.
Speaker 1:because, like I was like when he listened, when he really said, I really kind of thought about it, was like, okay, I can understand where, when you're having sex with women for most of your life, like a majority of your life, you're not looking at these women like, oh, I'm about to have a real life connection with you, like it's just a sexual experience that you have with women after women, after women. So then when you get with a woman that you actually value or prize In your brain, I don't want to treat you the same way that I treated other women that I did not give a fuck about. So the one distinction would be not fucking you like that let me read the causes.
Speaker 2:Freud argued that the madonna whore complex was caused by a split between the affectionate and the sexual currents in male desire. Oedipal and castration, anxiety, fears prohibit the affection felt for past infectious objects from being attached to women who are sensually desired. The whole sphere of love in such persons remains divided in the two directions, personified in art as sacred and profane. So women can only like, because of how we've been portrayed, every man thinking of women as just sacred or profane. A lot of what of these podcasts and all these things make so much sense because they view us. There's no gray areas for how men view us. They only view us as these two very, um, dramatic differences right one end or another. That's there. We're not. It takes all of the humanity and like your personal experiences or whatever, out of the equation.
Speaker 1:You're either an angel or you're a nasty, dirty whore well, I mean it comes to that we haven't changed the expectations for each other.
Speaker 2:Do you like, when you initially obviously you didn't see me as a nasty, dirty whore because you wouldn't have married me right, I mean, yeah, I mean that wasn't something that would have been appealing to me. So do you think that this is something because, like we're married? So do you think that this is something because, like we're married, Do you have a hard time bending over and giving it, bending me over and giving it to me hard? This is something that we can talk about. I mean, we can. Do you want to?
Speaker 1:I mean yeah, no.
Speaker 2:Do you have trouble doing that?
Speaker 1:There are some things in my head that come to that didn't come with other women that I was doing it with. Yeah, some things in my head that come to that didn't come with other women that I was doing it with, yeah, there's like certain things where it's like this doesn't necessarily feel like I'm I'm putting you in a higher light than other women.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow, Okay, I mean it does. So you feel like respect. What do you feel? What is your? Do you feel like you're respecting me more during sex?
Speaker 1:It's a respect to you because you're saying that you want to do it, but in regards to my ideal of purity of someone, of sex, yeah, sex tarnishes it.
Speaker 2:It's like a canvas when you put something on the canvas, the canvas, but you also want to have sex with me all the time too. Yeah, I mean yeah, so what, like? I'm just trying to understand, that seems like a conflicting yeah, it is.
Speaker 1:So you have to kind of work, like you say, you have to kind of turn off a portion of your brain because your logic is telling you to go this way. Oh, so you have to kind of ignore that feeling in a way and in that thought process and kind of recalculate your brain to be like that's, that's just not what this is. This is just a different kind of experience and you can't really associate it with what you've had beforehand what my question is in his specific, like madonna horror complex is that we also note that sigmund freud thought all men wanted to fuck their moms too okay, that's what I wanted to say.
Speaker 2:let's not just take sigmund freud as like the end all be all, as of like psychology, and then also like he was very based in whiteness also.
Speaker 1:So I'm saying so we can't take everything, but I can get what the dude was saying, where it's like If I, if, if I let's just get a little graphic if I Facebook the girls that I could give a fuck about what they did afterwards and left Like I could, I could. I don't even know their middle names, I don't know. When I face fuck a girl that I really like, it's going to do something in my head. I was like am I.
Speaker 2:Why did you let me do this yeah.
Speaker 1:That's all. It's just like a thing that you kind of have to, you know, work through your own self, that's all. And I think to a degree you can think that the over sexuality affects men like that in that way, because I'm pretty sure if a guy is a virgin or doesn't have many partners and he gets with the girl and they get long-term married, they he probably doesn't have those things that uh, affect him in that manner do I?
Speaker 2:I was really trying not to forget my question during your um what you were saying based off of what this, the madonna whore complex right? Is there not um a choice to not fuck your wife like a whore, like? Is there not a choice of having like romantic? But that's what he's saying emotional sex.
Speaker 2:That has nothing to do with debasing your wife and you can give it to her without defaming her is that not a thing. Have you never had sex with me, specifically, right like us, because I think this is so interesting. Have you never had sex with me and felt like you were giving it to me, but not like whoring me out, like this was like?
Speaker 1:I just think, when you think about the language that we use for sex and the way that we kind of have a discussion with it, like beating it up or like it's it all the basis, it's a violent act, it's a certain for the women.
Speaker 2:Let me out Like it's all a vile, degenerate act. It's the way that we frame it. Sex in general is like a man conquering you yeah.
Speaker 1:But, like I've had friends who I know when I talk to them, you don't enjoy sex for the actual feeling of sex. You enjoy sex because of what it brings to the people around you and I never really realized that until, like one time For the women around you.
Speaker 4:No to the men around you, oh, okay, To the acknowledgement of the men around you.
Speaker 1:I was like what I never really noticed it until like I had a homeboy when I was in college and he saw a girl that I had slept with and he was my roommate. He told a bunch of dudes that I slept with her and she was very attractive. So when these niggas came around me the next time, you know somebody else's dick is crazy.
Speaker 2:Shut up, you non pussy getting ass nigga, I know he wasn't.
Speaker 1:No, he was no bad bitches.
Speaker 2:No, he got he got bitches too.
Speaker 1:It was no, he was no way he was just saying he's seen her and just said it to his other homeboys, was like oh my, that's my roommate. He hit that like and they was like god. And then next time they came around me they was different niggas. They talked to me differently, they, they, they dressed me a certain way kind of differently. I was that nigga to them because I had smashed a girl that they thought was super attractive.
Speaker 2:Equating that to like women's stuff is like when you tell girls that like your nigga is doing stuff for you he's buying you things.
Speaker 1:He's paying for things. Just say money. Yes, he has money, he's spending it, he's generous.
Speaker 2:He's spending it, because him having money and not spending it means nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's generous with his money. That's all it really means, but no, I just thought it was interesting when I saw that.
Speaker 2:Let me tell a really quick story about this specific thing. I have a client that I have been working with. You definitely sounded like a whole prostitute when you said that.
Speaker 2:I work in luxury retail so I have a client that I've been working with. He's been a client of mine for several brands. Now I've moved brands, so he's a personal shopper. He has a client that he takes into my boutique now and then I told him that, like I don't pay no bills, my husband takes care of everything, like I don't really worry about anything. And then he brought the client and he he was like tell her what type of lifestyle you live, sis? And I was like I had.
Speaker 2:No, I was like what are you talking about? I was like he was like tell her how you don't pay no bills? And I was like, oh, that's what you mean. I was like, yeah, my husband takes care of everything. Yeah, and I was like I didn't know that. Like, of course, that is a flex, but I was like I didn't know that you wanted me to say that in front of other people, but that's a thing for real I mean, if you you exploiting a man is a point for you, a man having either multiple women or women at his subjugation is a flex for him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, an attractive woman and not not no big woman, because there's a lot of big women who are going to cook clean for you. If she is an attractive woman, that's going to submit herself for you, that's a flex for me.
Speaker 2:I went to dinner with my friend and I literally had to explain to her that my husband is not fat phobic.
Speaker 1:She commented on our post right.
Speaker 2:Tell the woman it coming at working men and he is very passionate about, like unions, livable wages, things of that nature, and that's why he was so passionate about that. He was not coming at this girl just because she was fat. She just happened to be fat while shitting on something that he was very passionate about and she understood it. But, like I knew that, having a podcast with a man, regardless of if, regardless of what relationship I had with that man uncle, cousin, father, husband I would be embarrassed. I would be embarrassed at some point or another and it happened like episode 23.
Speaker 1:That's funny that you said that too, because that's how my second temptation happened within the same day. Remember, I told you somebody knocked on the door while I was working. Yeah, Young girl. That was literally the universe testing you Young girl with a septum pierce I'm home alone too, mind you and she's coming here talking about minimum wage increases. I'm like, oh Lord, this is a trap. This is a trap, get out of here. But I think we can wrap this up here.
Speaker 2:It was a good show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like we got personal into our relationship.
Speaker 2:That's always good, I feel like people like that.
Speaker 1:We'll see, We'll clip it up. We never clipped it up and did it though.
Speaker 2:No, this is stuff that people will like. When we get to like episode 300 and we have a huge following and they just want to like get to know us on a deeper level, they're going to have to go back because we're going to stop telling them as much personal shit when we get bigger, I'll start telling more honestly. And I'm going to leave.
Speaker 1:We'll just put somebody else here with your wig on one of your wigs on. All right, let's wrap this up, man, life is a labor of love, so let's keep building together and remember your job is not your family, and the only thing you should exploit are these corporations. Talk FNF TV. We out of here, bye We'll be back next week. Follow us.
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