Explore the electric currents of hip-hop culture as we dissect the fierce wordplay and strategic moves in the ongoing Kendrick Lamar and Drake saga, where every lyrical jab shapes the narrative. From deep dives into their latest tracks to the broader impact on the music industry, we leave no stone unturned. Feel the pulse of childhood wonder while chuckling over the whimsical beliefs we once held, and how these innocent misconceptions parallel the complex realities we wade through in the adult world of music and fame.
Hear firsthand as we navigate the tricky waters of artist rights and industry manipulation, with heavyweights like Taylor Swift and Vince Staples helming the charge for change. We scrutinize the potential shockwaves caused by an artist like Drake if he were to take control of other artists' catalogs, and the power plays that unfold behind the scenes at major music labels. The personal entwines with the professional as we unravel the intricate web of rumored feuds and relationships that influence the heartbeat of the industry.
Step into the arena of culture and media influence, where we question the authority of gatekeepers in black culture and the sway of prominent media personalities in directing the course of hip-hop. And as we wrap up, don't miss our passionate debate on the priorities that shape the lives and choices of professional athletes, highlighting the delicate balance between personal obligations and career demands. Join us for a riveting journey through the beats and the very pulse of the culture we love.
Explore the electric currents of hip-hop culture as we dissect the fierce wordplay and strategic moves in the ongoing Kendrick Lamar and Drake saga, where every lyrical jab shapes the narrative. From deep dives into their latest tracks to the broader impact on the music industry, we leave no stone unturned. Feel the pulse of childhood wonder while chuckling over the whimsical beliefs we once held, and how these innocent misconceptions parallel the complex realities we wade through in the adult world of music and fame.
Hear firsthand as we navigate the tricky waters of artist rights and industry manipulation, with heavyweights like Taylor Swift and Vince Staples helming the charge for change. We scrutinize the potential shockwaves caused by an artist like Drake if he were to take control of other artists' catalogs, and the power plays that unfold behind the scenes at major music labels. The personal entwines with the professional as we unravel the intricate web of rumored feuds and relationships that influence the heartbeat of the industry.
Step into the arena of culture and media influence, where we question the authority of gatekeepers in black culture and the sway of prominent media personalities in directing the course of hip-hop. And as we wrap up, don't miss our passionate debate on the priorities that shape the lives and choices of professional athletes, highlighting the delicate balance between personal obligations and career demands. Join us for a riveting journey through the beats and the very pulse of the culture we love.
everybody. We got to talk about the ovo.
Speaker 2:They go at weekend yeah, he talked about rick ross and he threw a little rick ross jab in there.
Speaker 1:He, he went at asap, he did asap. I don't know about you, but if somebody called my girl her old pet name, fring, don't call my girlfriend. The argument you would say, though, would be like oh, what if something happens? What if there's an accident, something? What I'm gonna do? I ain't no doctor, I'm gonna just. You know what they're gonna do if something happens in there. They're gonna say, sir, can you step out of the room for me please?
Speaker 2:and then then there's gonna be, I'm gonna be finger crossed, hoping the doctor can do what, what they can and adam 22 and all the little white boys speaking about this while it was happening like it felt like why do you think that your opinion matters in this?
Speaker 1:Because they have the biggest hip-hop platforms on the internet.
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Speaker 1:Mine was like, like my mom used to tell me, like celebrity gossip all the time when I was little. Mm-hmm. So like you can see why I do the kind, of shit I do. But she used to like tell me like Janet Jackson had like a secret daughter with like Elder Barge.
Speaker 2:I heard that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, so that would be like the stuff that I believe was like prodder jackson lore, like she had a secret daughter. She didn't want nobody to know because at that time you couldn't be getting pregnant, all crazy. And then she had called, I think the elder barge like called up to the radio station one time or something said something to the effect about a child, but it was never substantiated wasn't elder barge um a drug addict I think they all were honestly yeah, allegedly. Allegedly From what I've heard.
Speaker 1:But that was like the thing, back in that day it was like you do music, you get on a little smack, and then you know you do music, you do cocaine, yeah, yeah, do you want to know what mine were? What.
Speaker 2:I actually have two, so I thought this was like when I was a child. Child I thought that your stomach was like a giant pot and that every time you ate, there were like little like, basically like little keebler elves with giant spoons, just like mixing it in your stomach, in your stomach yeah, so that's what I imagined every time I ate, like I was giving the elves, like the little tiny people in my stomach, some work to do that's.
Speaker 1:That's interesting. I need to hear the second one, because that one was I didn't think we was going there so the second one is a little bit.
Speaker 2:A bit embarrassing, because I was a tiny bit older, but I definitely thought that jelly came from jellyfish because of spongebob.
Speaker 1:That's not that bad though, because people used to think brown. You know, chocolate milk came from brown cow, so oh no that was a thing, but they had a, a commercial that made people as a child. If you wasn't, you know.
Speaker 2:Well, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:What makes you think that? Because I remember them, the milk commercials.
Speaker 2:I remember telling my mom like do you know where this jelly comes from? Jellyfish in the sea. You let SpongeBob get you. And then she was like oh really, that's so interesting, was like oh really, that's so interesting, and she just let that ride.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she should have been like you.
Speaker 2:That makes perfect sense everything when it comes to knowing fair. She was like really that's so interesting. And I was like, yeah, she just let it ride. That's crazy. Taught you something?
Speaker 1:that's crazy all right, let's get to the music. I need to have a talk with her survival I think somebody lying.
Speaker 3:Smell somebody lying. I don't see no fire. I don't see no fire. Off-white sun seeker at the marina Fuck a phantom. I like to buy yachts when I get the fever. Wine cooler spiller my white t-shirt, the sightseer Trifecta, money, morals and culture. That's my leisure.
Speaker 3:My visa, passport tatted, I show up in the visa, luke Kelly's dwellings in Brooklyn just to book me some pizza. Who could reach us? Only God could teleport this type of freedom. God, my confession is yours. But who am I if I don't go to war? There's opportunity when living with loss. I discover myself when I'm far short. Raise my hands to a falling sky. I fantasize Me jumping planets immortalized. I correspond Three angels. Fallen sky a fantasize me jumping planets immortalize. Correspond three angels watching me all the time for my children asleep with a prayer. They close my eyes. Definition of peace. Tell me who gon stop me. I come from love and still cover my heart. Then offer me up. Remember when, picked up a pin, never said I can trust Timmy. So staring a mirror yeah, let's get them Drake.
Speaker 1:What we do, hey, hey.
Speaker 5:Mmm, I said I did CB and nigga cold loose asleep on this. It ain't me. You better have some paperwork of that shit. Fake tea Can't be rapping. I know that net we can't read. I mean, it's true, a nigga slimy for my AP, just like how Metro niggas slimy for his main squeeze. How you begging for attention, niggas say please, always rapping, like you about to get the slaves free. You just acting like an activist. It's make believe. Don't even go back to your hood and plant no money trees. Ooh, it's make-believe. Nope, tell him In between. Tell him Self-esteem. So, bobby, shit, I wanna know what Whitney need.
Speaker 5:All that puppy love was over in y'all late teens. Why you never hold your son and tell him say cheese, we could have left the kids out of this. Don't blame me. You a dog and you know it. You just play sweet. Your baby mama catchers always screaming save me. You did it dirty all your life, you trying to make peace. I heard that one of them little kids might be day free, day free, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Don't make it day free, because if your GM is your BIM secret BB, then this is all making plenty fucking sense to me. Hey, let that shorty breathe. Shake that ass, bitch. Hands on your knees, hands on your knees, hands on your knees. Shake that ass for Drake. Now shake that ass for free. Yeah, let's get to the actual music music Goddamn.
Speaker 2:Let me be your father.
Speaker 1:Don't tell my son he a black man dog.
Speaker 3:Black-ish. Don't tell my son to do push-ups either. Kid to hide, a kid to hide again. Be sure, five percent will comprehend, but 95 is lost. Be proud of who you are. Your strength come from within a lot of superstars, that's real. But your daddy ain't one of them and you nothing. Like him, you'll carry yourself as king. Can't understand me right now.
Speaker 2:Just play this when you're 18 very respectful to the son, not the father. Dear Sandra, your son got some habits.
Speaker 3:I hope you don't undermine them, especially with all the girls. That's hurt inside this climate. You're a woman, so you know how it feels to be in alignment with emotions, hoping a man can see you and not be blinded. Dear Dennis, you gave birth to a master manipulator. Even using you to prove who he is is a huge favor. I think you should ask for more paper and more paper and more, more paper. I'm blaming you for all his gambling addictions, psychopaths and tuition. The man that liked to play victim. He raised a horrible fuck.
Speaker 2:But he wasn't done.
Speaker 3:I say damn people.
Speaker 2:Let's go. I'm finna pass on this body. I'm John Stockton.
Speaker 3:I'm crip walking right now. Young, you better not have a go to cell block one to any bitch that talk to them. And they, in love, just make sure you hide your little sister from them. They tell me chub's the only one that get your hand me down and party at the party playing with his nose now. And baka got a weird case. Why I see around certified lover boys, certified pedophiles. I'm gonna do my stuff. Why you trolling like a bitch, ain't you tired? Tryna, strike a chord and it's probably A minor.
Speaker 2:Gunshots nigga.
Speaker 3:They not like us. You not like us, nigga. They not like us. They not like us, they not like us. You think the pay gon' let you disrespect pop, nigga. I think that open show gon will be your last stop, nigga. They call foul. I don't know why you still pretending what is the hour. Oh, niggas and bird bitches, go. The hearty is not dumb. Shape the stories how you want. Hatred, they're not slow. Rabbit hole is still. Keep. I can go further. I promise. Ain't that something? Be rest. That's for bitching you, malibu most one. Ain't no love for you. Ball boy, let's, let's get ready, or something. Since 2009,. I had this bitch jumping. You, niggas, will get a wedgie. Be flipped over your boxes or over your phone. I wish I knew how to. No option, pussy, you can better straighten they posture. Got famous all up in country. Might write this for a fact you can better straighten they posture. Just let me see you.
Speaker 5:Just let me see you. All right, I thought she was about to play BB-8. Would have took all the walls down the streets, would have had me hiding out in a small town. My montreal connects stand up, not fall down, the ones that you get in your stories from. They are clowns. I am a war general, seasoned in preparation. My jacket is covered in medals, honor and decoration. You waited for this moment, overcome with the desperation, we plotted for a weekend and we fed you the information a daughter that's 11 years old. I bet he takes it. We thought about giving a fake name or a destination, but you so thirsty, you not concerned with investigation. Instead you in that Venice studio. It's a celebration. You gotta learn to fact-check things and be less impatient. Your fans are rejoicing, thinking this is my expiration, even the picture. You use the jokes and the medication, the Maybach love and the drug uses for less inflation. Master manipulator, you bid on a speculation. You crying so hard to act naive.
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Speaker 1:All right man, so we have it here. It looks like at this time we're at a ceasefire with the Drake and Kendrick beat, but before we get into that, this is Talk FNF TV. I'm your host, rhetoric, and I'm, with my lovely and amazing and voice and opinionated host today, miss Reality. Hi guys, all right man, so let's just get into this. So from the last time we talked to you, all we knew was E4U. This weekend was insane.
Speaker 2:Like Kendrick, would not let up.
Speaker 1:He was just on top of Drake the entire weekend.
Speaker 2:Foot on neck.
Speaker 1:He drops the. What was it? It was a Saturday morning, or I think it was either Friday or Saturday, I don't even know which morning it was.
Speaker 2:The dates is just. It just happens so much it don't matter the dates.
Speaker 1:He dropped the 16 in. La Later on that day, I think Drake drops the Family Matters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that was supposed to be the nuke. He immediately drops. Meet the Grams, maybe less than an hour later half an hour later.
Speaker 1:Half an hour later he drops meet the grams and then it just started from there.
Speaker 2:And the next thing, you know, the next day we get the jam, not like us, which is like taking the whole internet by storm at this point it's his first number one solo.
Speaker 2:Like we have to put that into like real, we'll get into it's his first number one solo by himself, yeah oh, kendrick has went number one in my car and in my home several times several of his several of his uh tracks have gone diamond in this brain so I didn't know that yeah, that was his first number one song that was his first number one song as a solo artist. Ooh period.
Speaker 1:So again a Drake feature actually, but we'll get into that as well.
Speaker 2:And then Drake tried to you salty, I'm hurt. You're so salty I'm upset.
Speaker 1:I'm upset. I'm going to give it up today. I'm going to give it up, but I'm upset.
Speaker 2:But I do want us to have an unbiased conversation about this, because our first two conversations were very biased, I mean. So I would like both of us to try to have an objective conversation about this, because I think it's more enjoyable to the viewer.
Speaker 1:I mean, we could try, we could try.
Speaker 2:We could try, but we know he's Team Drake and I'm Team Kendrick, winning team.
Speaker 1:Winning team. So then, drake then drops the heart.
Speaker 2:part six yeah, I don't even remember that. That's hate. What the fuck is that so?
Speaker 1:he drops the Heart, part 6. And I feel like he said a lot in that. I feel like he got a lot of shit off. So how do you want to start this?
Speaker 2:Let's just go in order Real quick, let's run through it. Let's start with 616 in LA, I mean that one didn't really hit me. Yeah, because not like us really just took over for real, Like that's.
Speaker 1:We can just get to where it really started. So Family Matters came out and when I heard Family Matters I thought that was it. I thought we was up.
Speaker 2:Family Matters didn't get a chance to take a deep breath yet you can't.
Speaker 1:Well, let's stay in the moment. We are 20 minutes before Kendrick drops his response. Can we stay in that realm for a?
Speaker 2:moment. Okay, let me.
Speaker 1:When that came out. Don't act like that wasn't rocking.
Speaker 2:Well, first of all, I work. So when that came out, kendrick has. When I saw it, kendrick had already dropped, so I listened to Drake's song just because I had to, but then I immediately went to listen to Kendrick's.
Speaker 1:That's hate.
Speaker 2:I listened to them back to back.
Speaker 1:When Family Matters came out, that was the nuke. I thought we had it. We talking about the baby mama, you know, having a kid that may not be his. We talked about the altercation that I had brought up on the last episode.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And I thought we pulled the ultimate card, his. We talked about the altercation that I had brought up on the last episode. Yes, and I thought we, we pulled, we pulled the ultimate card. I feel like if he, if kendrick, doesn't drop right after, this is gonna rock. Family matters is gonna rock. It's gonna take over the weekend. Like if he would have gave that another hour. I don't even think if he gave another two hours, meet the grams, don't hit the same way.
Speaker 2:No, I think he he would have had to give it like a day.
Speaker 1:The fact that it made you listen to it right after was like OK, and then he's rapping at his son off top, like you saying. You speak, you say the kid name and you just go you told the kid to do push-ups. He said let me be your mentor. Like what you violating off top. Then you try to reveal that he has another kid, a daughter 11-year-old daughter.
Speaker 2:Okay, so now we're jumping into Kendrick's song.
Speaker 1:This is. I thought they said Adonis.
Speaker 2:I was talking about, when he was talking about Adonis, because you were talking about I thought we were talking about family matters. Family matters didn't last long. Okay, wasn't much to talk about, so now we're talking about Mr.
Speaker 1:Gramps, we thought we were up, that's all I can say. Is we thought we was up. We had all the dirt, this nigga beating his wife up allegedly. What are we saying here?
Speaker 2:That's supposed to be a kill shot for a nigga like this. It was. It was in before we fully leave family matters. Drake reveals that the information this is in the song that he reveals that the information about the daughter was planted right no, that was in the uh the next one part, part six.
Speaker 1:Okay, so let's continue so I'm just saying family matters. Like I said, he just went in at, he went at everybody. We got to talk about the OVO.
Speaker 2:He did go at Weekend.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he talked about Rick Ross he threw a little Rick Ross jab in there. He went at ASAP, he did ASAP. I don't know about you, but if somebody called my girl her old pet name, fring, don't call my girl, don't, don't even think about it, it's up, it's smoke after that the only thing this weekend that you saw when you typed in asap's name was that lustful ass look rihanna gave him when she was getting into that little car.
Speaker 2:Whatever event, they was at this weekend and I was like he is beating that thing down. That's why she keep getting pregnant.
Speaker 1:He's fine continue I can show you a picture of fring looking at the boy the same way. So let's not, let's not do that. Not a video, though yes, it is. It is a video I can show.
Speaker 1:I'll show it to you after the show, but, um, I don't want to see it. I know you don't want to see that kind of evidence I don't blame you, nope, but uh, like I said, the Family Matters. I want to stay on there, but it's like there's not much to stay on, not in regards to Kendrick, because the more interesting stuff happens later on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Family Matters was not great.
Speaker 1:No, stop that.
Speaker 2:There's nothing to discuss about it.
Speaker 1:It was the best song out of all these that came out. It was the best song out of all these that came out. We're that came out.
Speaker 2:It was the best song out of all these that came out. Let's, that's we being objective. Come on now. No, it's not not like that's the best song that is hate, when I'm being objective, like I did not enjoy anything like as much as I enjoyed.
Speaker 1:Not like us, like the bar that everything that you said that you want to be bumping. My thing is that everything that you said that you wanted I be bumping. My thing is that everything that you said that you wanted from Drake was in Family Matters, Everything, the bars the subject matter. All of that was in there, he did the things.
Speaker 2:But you're saying, which song did I enjoy the most out of this whole bunch of songs? And it was not like us, Because he was messy as fuck. He threw shots at Drake and then I also was able to do a little dancey dance.
Speaker 1:Well, let's stay on that thing, because Kendrick did do what we said he had to do to win this. Yeah, he went exactly to the demographic. He appealed to the people in a way that everybody can get unanimously behind it, because once you call a guy a pedophile- like, let's be honest, certified, Loveable and certified Pedophile. Like as soon as you say that it's done.
Speaker 2:They played that shit during the NBA finals. I heard that.
Speaker 1:That bar was in the NBA finals. Once a nigga says freaky ass boy, you a 69. God it's over with. Like that shit is done. Woo, that shit is crazy. Like once a nigga say that on a song he said trying to strike a chord and it's probably A minor.
Speaker 2:And Like once a nigga say that on a song he said try to strike a chord and it's probably A minor, and then niggas are crip walking to that. Like disrespectfully. There are little girls on the streets in LA crip walking to this on TikTok with 3 million views.
Speaker 1:It's insane, Like it's literally not playing. Once you pull that card, you're not playing fair.
Speaker 2:Because everyone was like okay, the thing that Drake has over Kendrick in this beef is that Drake can make a bop of a diss track. He has that over Kendrick. He can make a bop that can be played on the radio that people can dance to more likely than Kendrick can. And then Kendrick did it. He dropped a bop that people are literally in the streets dancing to, that people are in the clubs listening to.
Speaker 1:But let's be honest. They're listening to that because it is like it's a moment. It's like when they cut the king's and queen's heads off in France. Like when they did all that and everybody was like dancing. It's like that Like people are glad to see the monster that they all thought Drake to be. Especially in the States, everybody wants to see Drake put down a pig. That's what you can't act like. That's what the song just feels like. We just all kicking Drake while he's down. And again, I've always said that's the best time to kick a nigga is when he's down, but that's what this is, but Kendrick was the reason he's down in the first place.
Speaker 2:That's the best time to kick a nigga. You already got him down. Kick him some more.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying I agree 100%. My father told me the best time to kick a nigga is when he is down. So y'all, that's what you're supposed to do. Period. That's just critical thinking. But it's not more people. I just behind Kendrick for Kendrick more than they are my hate for Drake. I hate Drake, so that's why I'm behind this. I 100% agree with that.
Speaker 2:There are a lot of people who hate, but I don't think there are more people who hate Drake than love Drake.
Speaker 1:My experience is that people generally just love this man when you take Kendrick fans, Kanye fans, anybody who's with the Metro Future, Rick Raw, anybody who can All the rappy rap Raw, anybody who can All the rappy rap fans, Anybody who can align with those men.
Speaker 2:The Griselda's In regards to a fan base.
Speaker 1:Well, Griselda wouldn't. They didn't get into this.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just like but they didn't say anything. They're rappy, rap niggas, so like people who are fans of that type of music.
Speaker 1:They're supposed to be Drake's men.
Speaker 2:Men, they didn't say nothing, they didn't speak up yeah, they're not gonna say anything, like they actually I did hear uh benny the butcher say something, but he wasn't anything.
Speaker 1:He just was like on the oh, I don't like all this internet beef. And it was like bro, that's exactly what you did with freddie freddie gibbs, young. God did a whole internet beef. Then no music came out, barely so, uh, but no russell's.
Speaker 2:Uh came out and said the same shit. About what? Uh, he don't like this and he's, he's come out and and russell simmons, yeah, and ended a bunch of rap beefs and this and that and everyone was like nigga, you not the person who needs to come to anybody's defense especially situation.
Speaker 1:This ain't right now what you need. What do you need, right? Drake was probably like my nigga. God damn nigga. What are you doing?
Speaker 2:please delete the video, all of it, please. You're killing me, dog jesus christ man oh shit, but that was okay.
Speaker 1:Let's get back to family matters real quick let me get back to family matters real quick, because you just said something about a picture drake. Come on, dog, it's not a big three, it's just big, big D, and I got the photo proof. Come on, my dog.
Speaker 2:And then Kendrick already fucking talked about how you leaked your own meat video, because then that's the freaky-ass boy just resonates even more after that line. You freaky as hell, Like you wanted everyone to see the schlong.
Speaker 1:Not too much on that, let's just keep it on to the principle. The meat, the principle of bringing it up. Let's just stay on that. Why?
Speaker 2:would you leak your own meat? Leaking the meat is crazy.
Speaker 1:I mean, I can understand. If I got the hammer, I might show it. That's not insane to me, but it's just the fact that I'm not going to call myself big free. I'm not going to be like, and I got the visual proof. You know what I'm not going to?
Speaker 1:say that that's crazy, that's insane. I'm not hating for releasing the pic, though I mean, do your thing, but you can't say that. That's what I'm saying where the loss is. It hurts because you can't say that. And then he goes into telling you, your son, you don't have morals Because you don't Like.
Speaker 2:It was like he heard Family matters and then wrote your son is here because you got a porn star pregnant. And then he said he's not claiming his mama.
Speaker 1:Like he said all that too. Like you're not trying to claim it. Like he did what he was supposed to do he did.
Speaker 1:He put your hand, he brought up all the things we wanted him to bring up kendrick, you put your hands in the mud, you, you got dirty and you did what you. You did what you had to do. But I feel like in turn that kind of proves what drake was saying the whole time and I think drake's angle, the problem with drake's angle was that it's not going to resonate with the everyday people. Like I was saying, rick ross angle wasn't. You can't, you're not going to be able to convince this nigga is not a black Messiah, unless you got a picture with him at a Klan fucking hoodie on, you know, with two blonde, white bitches. Like you got to get him in the act, yeah, like you have to really find this nigga to be doing some unsavory activities with the, with the Caucasians, and he just ain't gonna give it to you that easy. Because what else?
Speaker 1:His whole attempt was to try to make kendrick lamar look like an al sharpton, jesse jackson, a fake little grifter yeah and it just didn't resonate like the slave bar was hard that was a hard it wasn't that hard coming from drake though but see, that's the problem when it when you have to add those caveats to it, that's fucked up, because it's a true thing, because you're he knows you're rapping like you're trying to free the slaves, but you're really not doing anything. For it.
Speaker 2:Let me change my. I don't think it's a. It's a hard bar in general, because platform trying to make people aware of things and trying to make them care about things like you can't then just turn around and make fun of that when you literally have never let us know your opinion about anything, you've never tried to change anything ever.
Speaker 1:You can't say that you don't know, that you don't know that you're literally well, we don't know that you, would you have to say then add the note that we don't publicly see you doing yes, you don't use your platform to try to change anything okay, that's fair to say platform, but I feel like he gets definitely donate and care about a lot of different things that we don't know, but we could say the same about kendrick again, I'm not saying that's not true or not the case.
Speaker 2:We could say that about both of them. But kendrick uses his platform in a in a way, but you can that you could say benefits black people more than drake's uses his platform.
Speaker 1:But if you listen to his last uh effort and the mr morale he tells people I'm not your black savior, even though you walk around with a head full of thorns everywhere.
Speaker 2:Oh, but you're not the black savior, but the thorns and everything in mr morale was he was doing it before that was a.
Speaker 1:It was a whole theme of atonement okay, like I said that you like, you're not nobody's savior, but you're. It was kind of like.
Speaker 2:It was like bastardizing it in a way, if you want to take it that way, but like he was using it as a representation of atonement, of like, rebirth, of like. This is not who I am. Okay, I'm presenting myself to you in a new way. This is me coming out and saying this is who I am. So I'm looking like the savior in a different way. Got you?
Speaker 1:I'm looking like your savior, but I'm not sure got you on my back.
Speaker 2:If that's how you want to take it, then go ahead and that's what drake was trying to explain, but again, it's not.
Speaker 1:This is why I knew drake was never going to win, because the simple fact of what you said on the last show. On the last show, you said it doesn't you don't require any action from uh kendrick in regards to any activist talk or or black, you know, power talk, you don't require any action.
Speaker 2:Once I heard that there's no way drake can win, I I said that him making people aware of things and him trying to uplift black people in his music was action enough.
Speaker 1:And I said, once I heard that, I said, oh, there's no way Drake can win, because there's no way you're going to be able to spend you the fake messiah and niggas. You know you're wifing up a mixed queen.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:And you take vanilla hits, you know, to help with your self-esteem, Like that is a crazy bar.
Speaker 2:It is, if your baby mother wasn't a full white woman and you weren't a half white man who produced a baby who is barely black. That don't count, man. You can't do that. You can't say that he did. He like that's a hard bar, yes, but also let's talk about the hypocrisy between both of them. Ok, thank, you. Because that's a hypocritical bar, because this man impregnated a fully white woman and Kendrick impregnated a half white woman. If she's even half white, half his half whatever the fuck she is.
Speaker 1:But Drake has never been like oh, I'm only putting my seed in a black woman. He hasn't tried to do that kind of narrative, he's kept it up. I'm getting black and white and everything that's in between.
Speaker 2:Has Kendrick said that he is only going to impregnate a fully black woman Come?
Speaker 1:on man, you can't go up there?
Speaker 2:Has he said that you can't go up there? But that's what you just Doing, all of this cosplay. Everybody rewind 10 seconds and see what he just said? Has Kendrick said that he is only going to put his seat because these niggas been together since like high school?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Okay, then you have a song called Blacker to Berry.
Speaker 2:He can still say that Okay. You can still believe that. Okay, you can still believe the Blacker to Berry and the Sweetest Juice, but I happen to fall in love with a light skinned person who is amazing amazing, okay.
Speaker 1:So yeah, we don't have to, you don't have to produce, but I happen. We don't have to practice what we preach happen. We don't have to practice. I happen to fall in love?
Speaker 2:no, we don't have to. With a beautiful, light-skinned man, we don't have to.
Speaker 1:I'm, I'm entirely black I'm entirely he is entirely black, so don't, don't, don't try to add me into that like still, you know, like nigga been with her since high school. Don't try to put me in whitney's category, okay, me and her not the same. Thank you, um, but no, we, like I said you, there's no action that requires. With his, with his, with anything he does, there's no action required. Just all he can do is just say everything he can, spew all the noise and y'all just fall for it. That's why drake was never gonna win.
Speaker 2:Drake, you never had a chance yeah, because your bars aren't good enough, nigga that's fucked up.
Speaker 1:Fuck out of here.
Speaker 2:That's it if the bars was good enough, you would have won. If we can get into it period, point blank.
Speaker 1:You have anything else to add to this?
Speaker 2:no, let's get into the next song, no, we want to continue moving forward.
Speaker 1:I thought we went through basically all of them oh, we didn't even really talk about um, what you gonna call it which one, a heart, part six oh yeah, we did talk about all of them huh yeah, I mean it wasn't too much that he could say, because he was just trying to defend himself. Why did you bring up millie bobby brown unprovoked?
Speaker 2:that was supposed to be kendrick's flip yeah, oh yeah, we were talking about the hypocrisy between both of them, so I thought on kendrick's part, him calling out drake um, saying that he's a predator, and all that stuff was a little bit hypocritical when you.
Speaker 3:Talk about it.
Speaker 2:Drake said this you threatened to take your whole catalog off of streaming if R Kelly's music was taken off.
Speaker 2:That's nasty, and then also you took Kodak Black. Did he take him on tour? But you definitely put him on your album Twice and he has been. He has so many sexual assault allegations, Wake it up. And then you went through this whole thing of like oh, you put Kodak Black on your album because of the theme of redemption in Mr Morale and all that stuff, but at the same time, like Drake, doesn't get the same redemption or atonement or anything for anything he maybe has done. Or you get to accuse the man.
Speaker 2:I understand that you just hate that nigga and I respect it because your bars are better.
Speaker 1:Or he gets to just accuse him of things where there's nobody saying anything has happened. You just get to put all that on his jacket the worst thing you could. I used to work in a prison.
Speaker 2:Okay, oh my.
Speaker 1:God, and I'm talking about some of the worst offenders, folks that killed other men, folks that killed their mamas, folks that killed their girlfriends, wives, you know, the only people who got beat up in there for the crime they did on the outside. Pedophiles, pedophilesophile.
Speaker 2:Oh, we can't say that, we can't say that, we'll just edit it out. Okay, let's stop saying it though.
Speaker 1:Okay, the peas, the pedos, I think you can say that right.
Speaker 2:No, you can't say that the, the.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you what to say. Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1:But the bad men, you know, those guys out of all the bad men in the prison were the ones who got beat. They had to be put in sections together with the old men you had old guys that was in there, that couldn't really hurt them and the P-men. So I mean, like that's the worst thing you can be, even amongst the worst of the people. So once you put that on a dude, jackie, let's just call them the ped men.
Speaker 1:The ped men. Okay, the P men. You know, whenever you put that on them then it ain't nothing else that you can really come back from. And then when you do have you know what people say is weird because they don't think outside of the box experiences like the Millie Bobby Brown, her saying, they texting and stuff like that. When people can find that and put those together.
Speaker 2:They just gonna throw it on you. Yeah, and it's odd, and then people are pulling up your old lyrics of talking about teenagers and she graduated high school and we're not bringing that up fully. Like I didn't even fully dissect those lyrics, so we're not bringing them up, but I saw clips, my nigga no, I just want.
Speaker 1:I just think it's very obvious that, like joe budden is the archetype for all of this, everything that's been said and used, for the most part, besides the daughter, he has been building this mountain of destruction for Drake.
Speaker 2:Speaking of the daughter, Drake saying that like oh, you called me a manipulator, but you fell for this story that I manipulated, Nigga duh, that doesn't disprove that you're a manipulator.
Speaker 2:Well, no he was saying that he was a master manipulator, and then, if he was a master manipulator, well no, he was saying that he was a master manipulator and then, if he was a master manipulator, I feel like he should have used that more like the. The fact that drake planted fake information that was used in a diss track should be a bigger deal than it is, because that is the first time that we know that that's happened because that's like that's a crazy move, but like nobody cares about that, why does nobody care?
Speaker 1:about that? Because people hate drake.
Speaker 2:That is why it is nothing else because people hate drake, but he should have, like there should be receipts of some sort, like there should have been a smoking gun. I don't think, drake, he didn't play that right yeah, he, he he played it?
Speaker 1:If he did that.
Speaker 2:That's why people don't, that's why it's not a big deal, because people can't believe it fully. Because if you did all this, you should have recorded it, and then the music video should have been all the evidence and shit that you planted and how you did it, and then it should have just been the track. And then that would not. That would have stuck 100%. That would not have left my mind. I would have been like, wow, drake really manipulated Kendrick and Kendrick. I know Kendrick is smarter than Drake. I think Kendrick is smarter than Drake. So that would have really did something.
Speaker 1:What he failed to do in that situation was expose that part right there that he did that.
Speaker 2:You should have had receipts.
Speaker 1:What a lot of people were saying was dumb, which I think it was the stupidest take ever. They were saying he talked about the clowns that you got the information from, but he said we fed him all the lies. Those two things can exist at the same time. I can feed you information through a clown ass nigga that I know is going to give you the information.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we. That's probably the case. But people were saying like, oh, that doesn't make sense, drake probably found out who the mole was and then planted the information. So Kendrick probably did have a mole and then Drake probably very easily found out who it was and then manipulated the situation you got to think about.
Speaker 1:if I'm Drake and I've already experienced where my man 40 is pillow talking and information got out that way. You don't think I'm just gonna go around just telling people fake information, just so I can know I told him this.
Speaker 2:so if it gets out, I'm gonna tell specific things so I can know where it's coming from. Yeah, so I can know when shit get leaked out. That would be a smart thing to do.
Speaker 1:I would think that he would. If he wasn't as arrogant as people are trying to perceive him to be in this situation, I think he would be doing that. I know I would. I would be telling people you know this fake lie, you know this fake lie, you know this fake lie.
Speaker 2:And if it gets out, I know it came from you, because you're the only person I told anything that could verify that and that would be a good way to just weed out nonsense from your camp, because it's very dangerous to have people who are snakes around you when you're at that caliber, especially Drake's. Speaking of Drake's caliber I also wanted to talk about I don't think this loss is going to do anything to Drake, fully Like numbers-wise. If Drake drops an album next month, it's still going to do the same thing. Djs are still going to play it. Everything is still going to happen. He's still going to make the same thing. Djs are still gonna play it. Everything is still gonna happen. He's still gonna make the same amount of money, I think I don't think you understand what's going on.
Speaker 1:Fair, this is a coordinated attack. Somebody did this, okay, really quickly.
Speaker 2:I do think, though, that drake has very carefully curated his image to the US market, because black people did think he was a joke for a little bit, like they thought he was corny and now we don't think he's corny and now niggas think he's corny a little bit. So he's not going to take a loss financially, but I do think in the eyes of black people he did take a loss, and I think that personally, that does do something to him, but financially it's not going to do anything to him. Continue what you were saying.
Speaker 1:I don't think you understand what's going on. You don't think it's financially fair. Somebody did this okay. Who did it? Somebody did this okay. My boy, you think Nike is going to be cool with their guy who they're giving millions of dollars to being called a freaky ass boy, a 69 God and a pedo on a song. Do you think that's going to be okay? Do you know what's going on at Universal right now? No, I have no idea. Universal just recently got their stuff together with tiktok and signed a new agreement. So you would think everything would be good, but you know what's happening. Lucian, who at drake is, who has been called drake's rich baby, daddy yep, is going through an issue right now. Shake that ass for drake. There are investors that are being told that he isn't deserving of a bonus.
Speaker 1:That's like uh I think it's like 115 million or maybe more than that, because I think it was like 139 pounds, uh, from what I'm, from what I'm hearing. But they're trying to stop him from getting this because they're saying the the uh record label hasn't been producing to the number that he's getting. Oh, so if there's, investors.
Speaker 2:They don't have enough money to pay him no they're saying that he's getting oh, so if? There's investors, they don't have enough money to pay him.
Speaker 1:No, they're saying that he doesn't. He isn't deserving what. The production that's been going on in Universal doesn't match what they should be seeing back out for him to be getting this kind of bonus. That's what they're saying. Basically they're saying the bonus is undeserved from the production that we're receiving. Oh.
Speaker 1:That just came out the other day. So they're trying to fight that so that he can get this bonus. What's going to help run up the numbers? A beef inside, why would you just think about your job that you work at Anybody at home? Think about your job. You think you can go in there and talk to the second highest producing person overall in the company and trash them. You think you can come and do that, because that's what Kendrick is. Kendrick may be second in the rap game, but when it comes to all the people Universal has, drake is up there Top five at least yeah, and you got somebody who you can maybe argue Overall numbers wise.
Speaker 2:we know Drake is doing it.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. But you're saying, if I'm Universal, the nigga in the 20s in our top, maybe 20, 25, maybe even, honestly, if you're being honest, might be 40. In our top 40 of people, kendrick Lamar yeah, maybe you are coming in and talking shit at somebody in our top five. You think that's going to be allowed at anywhere, I don't care where you're doing that. You think that's going to be allowed anywhere, I don't care where you're doing that. Any industry that's going to be okay. Kendrick was a mercenary. They hired him because they knew he was going to attack. This was a coordinated attack. That's hate. Even in this situation, we have Metro. Let's just talk about all of Kendrick's songs. My homeboy pointed this out to me shout out, ep for management. He said look at all the producers on every one of kendrick's song metro, mustard, jake alnoff, who's been three-time produced grammar, grammy producer of the year. Uh, I think I already said metro. All produced Alchemist, all produced on his, on his these songs yeah this was an attack are?
Speaker 1:are all of those producers signed to Universal some of them are, some of them aren't, but it's just like it's all close niche. Even then, that's a bigger thing. When we're bringing in people, we're letting you bring in other people to come work on this. This was an attack. They're trying to bring Drake down. What they saw, what happened with Sony and Michael? Michael got too big for his britches. He was signing deals where he was owning other niggas catalogs, and that's what was next for Drake. Drake just signed like a quarter a half a billion dollar deal and I'm pretty sure if we looked at that deal hold on hold on.
Speaker 1:I have so many questions, michael was he's with sony and he owned half of sony because of how big he was and his contracts and he was buying up people's catalog. Yeah, he was buying up catalogs and then sony wanted part of it so he merged with them and then they had. He got like 50 of sony when he was there oh, and drake is before he died.
Speaker 1:Getting to that same point, I'm feeling this is my belief is that drake and I'll explain the conspiracy real quick now is that drake is one contract away from getting where michael is. He just signed for half a billion not too long ago and I believe that it had something to do with tours, streaming production and outside endeavors. I think he is. Hold on, let me finish. I think he he has done all the numbers that they thought he wasn't going to do. They gave him that money. They thought he was going to slow down and he upped it up because he knows before 40 he has to sign one more deal that he can get him that kind of money.
Speaker 2:And he owns, like random people's, masters and rights to things? I'm sure he has certain things.
Speaker 1:I don't think he has a whole. I don't think he had what Michael had at the time. Michael had, like the Beatles, he owned the Beatles Masters, all sorts of shit.
Speaker 1:Michael had money. Michael was spending that money. I didn't know that. Yes, michael was spending that money and that's why they took him down, because he had so much control and so much authority with Sony Because of so much that he had done. And at any time when you're coming up in this industry, you're going to sign bad contracts that you started, just like drake did. But when you sign and re-sign again and you're able to produce, like he has been for the past 15 years, you start them. Contracts don't don't start being 60 40 day way. It start being 70 30 your way. Yeah, that shit starts happening. And why would we want to do this? Why we want to give this man? We already got taylor swift, who's fighting for people streaming right.
Speaker 2:Even your boy, ben staples, kind of spoke to this ben staples was like I don't give a fuck about all this beef shit, like we need to focus on what they're doing at apple, at whatever is going on with tiktok with universal and we need to fight for our money yeah, and so that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:You have people who are already doing that but can be controlled, like Taylor, even though she did the shit with Scooter Braun and she can be resisting. They got her a boyfriend that can come in, who's known to toe what to do, goes on the football field and does it. They can calm her down now, make her feel good, we're good. We can maintain you know, a Taylor. But if Drake get off the loose and Drake start owning niggas' catalogs and start doing it, drake has never been that kind of industry guy that people like to paint him at. Every time he goes to the Grammys he gets his award and says fuck this award. Like I honestly feel like the person that people try to paint Kendrick Lamar to be. In regards to artists and creators, drake is really that dude. Drakeke has y'all call him a culture vulture, but he picks everybody up. He goes to the hood and brings niggas up. You don't hear about this nigga stealing niggas catalog, stealing niggas pub. Kendrick doesn't do that either.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying that when I'm talking about the, the thing is kendrick brings up his niggas, baby keen yeah, the thing about drake being a culture vulture, is that what? Whoever he's lifting up, he kind of sounds like so so that's. That's the thing. You never sound like a canadian nigga and you are. You are a canadian nigga, it's music. That's why you sound like a culture vulture. The things that you consume, you become. No, I can see if 21 savage, but uh, future. I did an album with both of them.
Speaker 1:Like I can see, if I I came here and I was like bro, future, I like you, let me copy what you do and then I push you out and do a whole future album. That's just great. A culture vulture would be somebody who, in their way, would basically be like if he got a future or he got 21 and he took they sauce, took they music and didn't have them nowhere near on the album, didn't promote them. That's never been Drake's motto. Drake's motto has been come on, I'm going to put you on with me. We're going to do these songs together. It's going to be a hit. If you have talent, you're going to rise to the top. Look at the Migos. He helped them a lot. They was up, but he gave them a real stamp.
Speaker 2:He solidified them early, but with 21 Savage and Future, he did collabs with them when they was already hot as fuck.
Speaker 1:But you've got to understand there's a difference being hot locally in America and then people listening to you rocking with Drake on a global level Again we're talking about top five universal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're correct.
Speaker 1:So when you talk about what he's done, like I said, I gave all you niggas number ones. I gave all you niggas y'all biggest hits, and this is how y'all do me.
Speaker 2:That's a flex.
Speaker 1:This is how y'all going to come at me. He didn't say that. Enough he. If he could have just predicted that, uh, kendrick was going to get a number one off that. If he would have said that bar, that would have been so hard like that shit would have been stuff you had to keep repeating.
Speaker 1:And what people just don't understand is this is a takedown from the inside. Universal is trying to bring him down. I don't know if it's lucian, I don't know if lucian is trying to cut ties so that these profit numbers can look up. But we all but we all have to look at this and understand that this is a sign of what's to come. This is going to be what's going to be going on with music soon.
Speaker 1:We need people who are going to stand on business with these industries and with these folks, because a lot of y'all just fall in line, and Drake was at least one of the people who was not just falling in line. He didn't do a lot of stuff. Y'all wanted him to do Cool, but he was fighting for something, I believe, that could have been bigger and been more impactful, and he was just very low-key about it, because if you hear a lot of his bars. He it don't sound like to me somebody who wants to be lock and step with the label at all times. He wants to be looked at as an equal. Yeah, like, I honestly feel that and and we're allowing this to be used as a tool to take us down.
Speaker 1:They knew Because, honestly, if Kendrick was the nigga Mr Morale that he says he was, and all this shit you would see this play. You wouldn't even have jumped into it After like that, even if he did push-ups, you wouldn't have had nothing to say because you knew what kind of play this was. They gave you a little bit of money and now you did what you told them. You know what they wanted you to do. You were used by the system.
Speaker 2:That's if your theory is correct. Yes, that's what I feel like is going on Because we know that, like Kendrick has been trying to get this nigga to like battle for a while now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I feel like that doesn't.
Speaker 2:And we know that kendrick is a like bully and not again.
Speaker 1:That's how you know this could be a hit job, because I know who wants to go at you. So now I'm gonna give you the best producers that is a argument you can have, if your theory is correct. I'm giving you everything you need to go at the top nigga, and it's a 20 v1 but he's also the nigga that made control. I'm not saying that, and just for fun, winning niggas.
Speaker 2:It was like come at me.
Speaker 1:There's difference between that there's difference between that. This was a what did I say? A coordinated attack. This nigga dropped 30 minutes after he did. That's coordinated, Because apparently he had a mole in the camp. Could that come from the up?
Speaker 2:and ups, or it could just come from niggas hating why wouldn't you stop this, lucian?
Speaker 1:let me ask that, jimmy iv, why are you letting this happen?
Speaker 2:yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1:If they're both signed to the same label, then that's very they're all licensed and work, all that shit to the same label, then that's very. They're all licensed and work. All that shit is the same. This is Universal.
Speaker 2:Regardless right. Let's think about the like evil white man at the top benefiting from all of it. It doesn't matter, he's making money. The whole time, whole time.
Speaker 1:The whole time they're doing all this. This nigga, who was the beat for that first song? The 616, who was that? Was that al green? Yeah, come on, what are we talking about? He got it cleared in. In what a day like. Come on, what are we talking about here?
Speaker 2:also there, there were um like whisperings of the fact that kendrick had this loaded in the clip like this wasn't something that he like threw together he probably had the bars he had. He had this shit loaded in the clip apparently he probably had the bar he was ready for this battle for a while.
Speaker 2:They had to come in there and refine all the beats and all that shit because drake, uh, in the first reply that he put out was like nigga, you, you apparently you had stuff that you've been waiting to drop, drop it. And then that's what kendrick did he dropped it like a nuclear bomb, yeah I'm sure.
Speaker 1:And again, usually they make touch ups and do things to make it sound more current, current and it's just. It's just crazy because, like I said, this man had a full instruction manual to do all of this, like he literally went through the job. But there was somebody in our spaces that the other day that said he went back and looked at joe button when he dropped all them diss tracks to uh drake and he went back and kind of mirrored them to the way uh kendrick dropped and it was like almost he said it was like a one-for-one of the angles, the way he was trying to go for, like he literally just followed every everybody who was ready to attack drake. Just gave, easily, just gave all the information, not understanding what they, just working for the man in the system.
Speaker 2:Shout out to WeWorks that space is. Y'all be taking me away from my husband. We gonna clip this up. He gonna put this in there. Y'all be taking my husband away from me. Continue.
Speaker 1:We just be trying to do the science, and that's the science that I've been coming to man. This is a universal civil war. Kendrick is a mercenary for hire and they're trying to take out Drake. You even got shootings going on now.
Speaker 2:Okay, so let's get into this OVOXO beef that I had no idea about, but these Canadian light-skinned niggas they light-skinned guns. So they like.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying you don't be listening to Drake like I do. You got to listen to Drakeke because he talked about all that that toronto shit. I saw what you did there, but we were talking about obo exo beef right now, so we had to get into that. This is you hell. We got to get into this because abel is a psychopath, okay, that's why. That's why another reason why universal wants him to be part of this too, because what Drake say?
Speaker 2:he just a little drug head from the north side he is a psychopath because after that show that we watched that he was a producer or whatever of you. The freaky ass, nigga, that's a 69.
Speaker 1:God the weekend, let's wake it up, because that's who all these niggas teaming up with. That's where all the money is coming from, like they're funneling it through the weekend. The weekend is up there. Weekend is top 10 with universal. Like weekend is up there. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, he is one of the ones. He might be high top 10s in that regard too the weekend's music is popular outside of the us he's very popular around the world.
Speaker 2:He's very like marketable outside of just US.
Speaker 1:Him and Drake are comparable in a way. Their numbers are roughly similar in regards to their genre.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's what I'm saying. Like this is a coordinated. I can't say this enough.
Speaker 2:Do you know the? It's a coordinated attack. Do you know what the history behind OVO and XO and the beef is so?
Speaker 1:I know it started back with the crew.
Speaker 2:I don't, I'm asking you.
Speaker 1:Well, this is what I've heard from it. It started back in the crew love when Drake, you know, kind of just found a weekend, wanted to put him on. He tried to sign him. He told him no. He asked him to write for him. You know, work with him on the crew love and all the songs they can you which. I feel like still changed music to this day, Like when that song came out, that was a different we. We, we went, we shifted the air, we shifted errors when that came out.
Speaker 1:That drum, the two, two like that shit that OVO and that XO was all I believe, Beautiful.
Speaker 2:No, that was very good music.
Speaker 1:And. But since then it's come. You know, they've had their differences Women.
Speaker 2:I didn't know that the Weeknd was never actually signed to Drake. Never he never wanted to sign to him. He tried to sign him. He said no, he was like write the song for me. He wrote the song. He was like actually let me get on that music. And then the Weeknd was like a way smaller artist. So he was like I guess I have no choice. And then he eventually ended up feeling some type of way about that. And then other things continue.
Speaker 1:Well, it started to come into with the women. Really, that's where a lot of the beef came from, because they are both from Toronto. They both kind of try to run that you know, like they both mob bosses just in their particular genres. And it comes, you know, it came with the women I forgot there was, I don't know it was Hailey or Hallie Abid or whatever. Them little white little model girls are. Hailey.
Speaker 2:Bieber.
Speaker 1:No. The white, the models.
Speaker 2:The models, the two like Palestinian. I think they're both Palestinian. Oh, bella Hadid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, them, it was one of those two sisters that the Weeknd was associated with. She ended up was messing with Drake and that's why Drake said he mad because me and the chick was lip-locking. I ain't even fucked, I was just fucking with her, but I didn't fuck her and you had it.
Speaker 2:That was his whole girlfriend though the weekend.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so he just nigga. It was just a little lip-locking. It was just a little lip-locking. We ain't doing nothing crazy. You know what I'm saying? That's all. It was just a little lip-locking.
Speaker 2:Drake, you feel like you would have like way less problems if you just stop fucking niggas, bitches like these. Obviously, the women that are in your area that you're experiencing are very opportunistic. Apparently we're we're alleging and you have the opportunity to be with these unloyal women. It doesn't matter. You can have so many women. Why would you be with women that can cause problems in your professional?
Speaker 1:life. How about I look at a grown man and say why are you talking to me about a bitch? Why are you crying about a girl? Nigga, you know what this is. I put you on, but it's the principle. It ain't no principle. I put you on you, good, it ain't no principle. I put you on you, good. You living up D women for everybody.
Speaker 2:Why are we talking about this, okay, but that's not the case for everybody, because he fucked Lil Wayne's girl when he was in jail.
Speaker 1:It ain't for everybody.
Speaker 2:When he was in jail.
Speaker 1:Tammy, he got a tattoo of Lil Wayne to say he was sorry.
Speaker 2:And Tammy Wayne was mad about that. He mentioned that shit in two different songs. He was upset, he was very mad about that he said.
Speaker 1:Why, though? He said, I was in jail, and when you, in jail, everything feel like a hundred like your side chick, feel like your main chick, so that that wasn't nothing like she was.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying he's done that to niggas, who are literally his mentor that's what the game is. That was the game he was taught. Drake literally does not know to where to appropriately put his penis.
Speaker 1:Yes, he does. No, he does not. Yes, he does. Y'all be cuffing the joints. That's what he's saying, though. Y'all cuffing the joints. Why are you talking to me about a chick I just lip lock with? We didn't even fuck joints? Why are you talking to me about a chick I just lip lock with? We didn't even fuck? Like what are you doing? And now we in this beat where again, a shoot that happened at drake's house. Uh, security guard was hit oh yeah, that's what we were talking about yeah, the security guard was helping me.
Speaker 1:Now we get into what's happening now a security guard was hit and, uh, they said he should be all right. I think he's not gonna lose his life or anything like that.
Speaker 2:Okay, good, good, we don't want anybody to lose their life from any music shit. I thought a lot of things Like that's so dumb DJ.
Speaker 1:Academics was a part of this, though, but a lot of people were like trying to associate it with the Kendrick beef when it's like bro.
Speaker 2:It has nothing to do with the Kendrick shit.
Speaker 1:All you have Google Cash, xo shooting and you're going to see what things tie together Like I don't have to put it together like that for you. And Cash is the weekend's manager, so you can do one and one together. You see what happens at his home. They said a security guard got hit there too. I'm never doing security for Drake anymore. Like that's definitely no longer. That's done.
Speaker 1:That's over with or the rate is going crazy up. Everybody has to get paid stupid. But you can see that's what's happening. That's why y'all calling Drake, this little soft boy, that that shit only happens when you growing up. After you grew up and you make decisions as a man, you can take your life into a whole different way. Ain't no reason, ain't no way you moving the way he doing Toronto, you're not associated with them kind of guys you can't, you can't be you. There's no way in the world that you could be in any city, really move as freely as he was moving and not be associated with those kind of guys. Because those guys are going to try, like you said, take you for your ap and they don't care about them. Security dudes, they'll run up on you in the right time or they'll get one of those security guys to turn on you. So, like I said, this stuff is crazy. It's insane. Like I don't want to see nobody get hurt either.
Speaker 2:But yeah, it's very unnecessary. I wanted blood, but from bars in the booth, not in real life. But this has nothing to do with the, the rap beef between kendrick and and drake.
Speaker 1:but, um, stop fighting with each other and stop shooting each other over, like women too, because that's what this is over the ovo exo, shit is over women, and even if you add in some more that, like I don't know if you know who top five is, that was uh no, but I know he's top five.
Speaker 2:Top five, top five. Yeah, I know about that. He's a 5 is. That was no, but I know he's Top 5,.
Speaker 1:Top 5, Top 5. That's what I know about that. He's a rapper in Toronto, but he's also. Traplord Ross did say he was Drake's shooter for a while. That's what he was trying to say.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, that's what.
Speaker 1:Traplord Ross had put on his thing.
Speaker 2:Why do you niggas have?
Speaker 1:Hold on from jail. He did a little music video where they got him in jail and they videotaping him while he's performing and he's disindrate, so like there's beef on that, they saying Drake ain't putting money on niggas books and shit like that.
Speaker 2:So that nigga should have literal stacks of ramen noodles across his walls. If he yeshuta and he's in jail, that nigga should want for nothing within those prison walls. He should literally like there, what well what I'm leading into.
Speaker 1:That is saying that there could be some also inner uh with the mole situation artists, that there could be some inner people in the group that are allow something like that could even happen at Drake house because they did like a drive-by allow for what do you mean?
Speaker 1:like for someone to even be able to get to that kind of close to know that there's gonna be anybody around. He's not even gonna be there? Like, like to know that kind of information to do something as reckless as just start doing a drive-by on a wealthy Toronto street, like that?
Speaker 2:It's very wealthy too. He bought like two plots of land and did a bunch of stuff, and then the people who were in that neighborhood didn't even want Drake in that neighborhood because they were so rich. They were like get this nigga out of here, yeah, so yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 1:There's going to be something like that. That's what I'm telling you. This is a coordinated attack on Drake.
Speaker 2:This is going to be investigated to the to the Canadian police's highest level.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's going to happen. More is more so.
Speaker 2:It's a really rich neighborhood. You don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's not what they want to happen. They want the pressure of getting him out. They want to bring him down.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to Drake.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Yes, this is a coordinated attack. Oh, okay, you mean the okay. I thought you meant the police for a second. You mean the?
Speaker 1:record label. No, I'm talking about everybody involved. They want to bring Drake down, and I'm trying because you know why? Because if Nike goes away and all that extra money goes away when he has to come in negotiate with Universal now I'm starting to have to take more capital from you and less equity, because I got to pay for all the stuff that I was planning on paying for with Nike and all this other stuff money.
Speaker 2:But it doesn't make sense, because are these people not also equally benefiting from Drake being under them?
Speaker 1:They benefit at this time but, as I explained, contracts start looking like I'm getting 30%. When I was getting 70.
Speaker 2:It's now, it's more. All your old work. All your old work. I'm still getting them numbers, them 70 thirties 30% when I was getting 70. Over time it gets more beneficial for him. All your old work.
Speaker 1:I'm still getting them numbers, them 70-30s, them 60-40s. I'm still getting them kind of numbers the more you start making more numbers more hits you start getting more money. But, the expectation for me doesn't change as much in regards to the capital I'm putting in. It doesn't behoove me for you to be getting bigger at this age.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:And that's why my argument is like they're trying to take him down because they saw what happened when they let Michael Jackson do that and then what we had to do, we had to put all the child stuff on him and we had to really scrutiny and bring it. Why would I wait and do all that when I can do it right now and I got a hungry little pit bull that's ready to go at him?
Speaker 2:I think that's a good really.
Speaker 1:I think that's a really good take on it, baby well, that's the first time you've ever said that about anything I've said no, I think that you put thought into this that I haven't.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen anybody have this. I think it's a nuanced take on it. I think it's a even though it is drake leaning, but I think it is a nuanced like non-biased take on it and it's interesting.
Speaker 1:Thank you. Yeah, we did a little research, it is really interesting and I think. Somebody did this.
Speaker 2:If we, if this happens to be true, when we clip this motherfucker up oh it's going to feel good. This nigga dick is going to be hard. Yeah, psycho, he is not the ego trip. He's gonna ride on it for at least eight months. If he's right about this shit, if universal is really trying to take drake down, this was a, this was like a calculated thing. If, if, eventually, joe budden has the same take, he said that already.
Speaker 1:He said it on something else. Well, I'm saying, because he you thought it first, though.
Speaker 2:right, I said this on Spaces days ago. Okay, but you thought it first and then you said it first. I said it before, yeah my nigga said it first.
Speaker 1:You can ask my nigga Period. I said that you can ask my nigga EP for management. I've been saying that this is a coordinated attack.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ask the spaces we works.
Speaker 1:I said that too. When somebody posted him talking about oh, I think there's an executive hating him, I said he been listening to the spaces, okay.
Speaker 2:This is a coordinated attack. I've been saying this. We've been on this for a while. I've been thinking about this a whole time. No, I mean this topic yeah, I mean. But I'm gonna break that kind of in three ways though okay, so what else we got on the dot I wanted to ask you about? Are there finishing arguments that you have?
Speaker 1:no, I was. I was going to ask you about vlad now. Did you hear about what happened with vlad?
Speaker 2:I did hear what happened with vlad. Um, let's talk about it.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about white opinions in black spaces well, before we get into that, we got to talk about exactly what happened because I apparently I did you explain that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you disappointed me to explain. I disappointed some people with me, including explain on this.
Speaker 1:So what happened was vlad has said, talking about the music only, that he felt like the mix on not like us could have been better because it was taken away from the song. Then a woman who works for Princeton I think she's also like a niece to like a former rapper or something like that too she comes in and says this is a black affair. Like you can stay out, white boy. Basically she didn't say all that, but basically said something to the effect that because he's white, he should be on the outside.
Speaker 2:His opinion is invalid.
Speaker 1:I'm going to look up the actual tweets. I thought I had it too, but he basically she basically invalidated his, his, his request for a better mix. Uh, because he was white, I thought in my opinion. When I heard that, I felt like that was stupid of her. Because one thing she has Princeton in her bio. So why, if you are trying to do this corporate grandstanding with your job, trying to show off, oh, you're an authority. So when people look at you and they see you got Princeton in your bio, they know your authority. Why would you feel any kind of way to have this kind of discussion with somebody on your own professional page? You literally can have a recreational page where you don't include that and have this conversation.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, my phone is literally trying to update right now. I don't know what the fuck is happening.
Speaker 1:Well, I can pull them up, but no that's what I'm saying, where it's like people were looking at me crazy because I said she was stupid for what she did. Going at a big media platform, when you try to talk shit about him, when he can go on your profile and see Princeton and all this other shit for you, why would you do that? Why would you put yourself at jeopardy? Is it lame what he did? Of course you could say that's lame, but at the same token, um, what he did was just troll you back and for black twitter to be shitting on Vlad for that, when that's when some of the shit that got us famous on black twitter was going at people for their jobs and shit. That was a regular occurrence Like that happened on a daily basis. We would go out of nowhere and just when somebody said something racist, it's been too long.
Speaker 2:We not gonna pull up the tweets, but continue what you were saying. What's your?
Speaker 2:I feel like I think he deleted the tweets too, so it's probably not even up anymore Somebody probably has screenshots of some sort but her simply saying that we don't need your white ass opinion, regardless of what that white ass opinion is, I think is valid. This is our shit and this is our moment. This is a very big moment in our culture, and then you are someone who, for some fucking reason, has a voice and an opinion in this culture. We don't want to hear. What you have to say right now is what she was saying, and I know that's like shady or petty or whatever the fuck it's immature or whatever it might seem, but I agree with her yes, and I have a problem with him and Adam 22 and all the little white boys speaking about this while it was happening, like it felt like.
Speaker 2:why do you think that your opinion matters in this?
Speaker 1:Because they have the biggest hip-hop platforms on the internet.
Speaker 2:Yes, and that is a mistake and a problem. And then I think that, regardless of what you think about this interaction, the thing that came from this is black people having a conversation about why we center these people in our culture and why we why they have such a highly valued opinion in our culture in the first goddamn place, there are smaller black creators and hip hop critics who don't have like as a, who don't have the um, what's the word?
Speaker 2:I'm looking for the influence yeah, the influence and the reach that, um, these white men do in our culture and why do they have it? And these, the the black people, actually they, they don't have it. Like, how many people do you can you name that are hip hop critics that have like a big platform, that are black?
Speaker 1:academics and uh and Joe button and I guess I guess those would be the main two that have their own Like yeah.
Speaker 2:Like there's other than that there really isn't. There aren't that much, and I think that that's a hip hop or Hollywood unlock, would you?
Speaker 1:well, I guess it's not hip hop and I think that that's a or hip hop or Hollywood Unlocked. Well, I guess it's not hip hop.
Speaker 2:No, that's not hip hop, and then that's not black either.
Speaker 2:So I think it's a.
Speaker 2:It's a conversation that we need to have with ourselves and I think that, regardless of what you think of what happened, it did open up a dialogue that we need to look within ourselves. If we are going to be gatekeepers or preservers I preserve, I, I prefer the word preservers of our own culture, then we need to do a better job at letting the vlads and the adam 22s of the world not get to the point where let's not even talk about Adam he's not in this conversation but we we don't need to let the Vlad's and the like trap lord Ross's of the world get to the point where they have this like giant authoritative um platform on our culture and they're not in it. They can't relate to it, they didn't live in it, they shouldn't, they shouldn't have it. They simply shouldn't, regardless of anything, they should not have the platforms where they have such a like wide, over-encompassing opinion of culture that has nothing to fucking do with them, regardless of how much you enjoy it, because you obviously yo, I would hip-hop culture is enjoyable.
Speaker 1:I would feel you on everything you say. If this nigga said oh, kendrick shouldn't have called drake not black or something like that, like if he had an opinion like that, I would understand everything you say. This nigga said he didn't like the mix that's.
Speaker 2:I understand that. That's why I brought it to a wider conversation of why these white men have these platforms where they're they. They have such a they have. They have an influence on this culture that people give a fuck about well, like, like dj vlad shouldn't have an opinion that we even give a fuck about to a point where we're discussing it.
Speaker 1:I can tell you why both of them have the platforms that they have. Rick Ross beat the fuck out of DJ Vlad. He took that money and invested it in his company. That's the reason why. So a black man being all in his feelings is why Vlad exists. Now you go to Adam 22.
Speaker 2:Rick Ross was faking, it don't matter. He really beat that nigga up. I'm agreeing with you. Let me continue. Rick Ross was faking and acting like he's a giant fucking thug and he was all in the streets and shit. And then when he got exposed and Adam 22 exposed him and whatnot- no, it was not. It was, oh yeah, vlad, and when Vlad exposed him, he sent niggas out to beat vlad up. Vlad press charges won the case. Rick ross had to pay him, and then he used that money to launch his platform if if yeah, I just wanted to explain it better to the people if they don't know my bad.
Speaker 2:If rick ross did not try to fucking fake the funk and act like you was this thug nigga, when you're not. You had the fucking musical talent. Just rap up. You had like luxurious raps too.
Speaker 1:Well, he wasn't doing that then that was like Hustle and all that shit was on. That's when he was doing all that.
Speaker 2:Whatever nigga, Whatever you didn't have to do that shit.
Speaker 1:It's your fault, Rick Ross.
Speaker 2:It's Rick Ross' fault. I think it's black people's fault when Vlad is, where he's at.
Speaker 1:I just said that, yeah, we both agree on that, but Adam 22's is different. Adam 22, during the most bougiest time During hip hop, went into the mud and talked to all the kids who was coming up. He didn't give a fuck about what you was doing, how many followers you had at that time.
Speaker 2:It was a very pretentious time.
Speaker 1:Yes, During that time, when Adam was coming up, he was the nigga giving in the mud. He was talking to the niggas with the tattoos on their face. He was.
Speaker 1:yeah, he was talking to the gangbangers. He was asking them the questions that people wanted to hear. That's, y'all allow those men to be around him and, to you know, perpetuate all of that kind of violence and stuff in the manner that you feel like he is. Niggas did that because y'all didn't care about the people that was coming up. Y'all was too. Y'all heads was too hard. Head up your asses because y'all hated the Internet. Y'all didn't understand that y'all was being goofy and stupid. Yeah, I agree with that 100 percent. That's how both of them came to be. Anybody else is just pushing out salacious bullshit, but them two niggas. They came in because niggas dropped the ball. That's 100%. So we can't be sitting here mad. Why does Vlad exist? Because niggas dropped the ball, and that's always been happening. Y'all niggas always have this shit going on where y'all sell the fucking culture for cheap and then get mad while niggas is get up on y'all niggas because y'all didn't invest in.
Speaker 2:It's our fault. We need to stop selling the culture for cheap. We are worth way more than, obviously, what we value ourselves at 100.
Speaker 1:So I mean that's why I said I can't be mad at that hip-hop culture is pop culture. I didn't like that I'm gonna say this last part about it. I don't feel like vlad dispected in any way what his opinion was.
Speaker 2:His opinion didn't disrespect anybody. The way that he came at that woman after the fact immediately was the but that's 100% black Twitter, all right.
Speaker 1:So NBA playoffs you know we're in the second round now of the NBA playoffs and something interesting I think that you know you would have an interesting commentary on Rudy Gobert. He plays for the Minnesota Timberwolves. He recently just had a child and this child was born the morning of the first playoff game of the second round.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So he was not at the game he missed. No, excuse me, it was the second game.
Speaker 1:He missed game two of the playoffs because his child was born that morning. Gilbert Arenas then went on his podcast and basically was saying that baby was going to be there regardless and you missed the game and you let your teammates down and he was very critical of them. I wanted to hear your thoughts on what did you feel like? Do you feel like he? I know you probably don't, but do you feel like he made the right decision in choosing that?
Speaker 2:It depends on what your priorities are. Do you care more about letting your teammates down, or do you care about letting your life partner down? That doesn't seem.
Speaker 1:I don't like how you put it in, like that.
Speaker 2:That's what Gilbert Arena said. He said you let your teammates down. So is it more important that you let your teammates down, or is it more important that you let the mother of your child?
Speaker 1:how am I letting you down when let? Me when you're not there let me finish.
Speaker 1:You are in the best hospital, getting the best care. You're getting anything that anyone else could want. He's put you in the best position to have a healthy, safe birth. This right here. I'm not saying that it's more important, but he is literally in the 1% of the 1% in his field. Like there's only 400 niggas in the NBA and right now there are 72 of them in this playoffs. And for you to miss a game like that, you letting them people down, you letting those men down. No man come there to work just like anybody else, to do this job and win a championship.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that woman came there to work and push out a whole human child.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and she did that in the morning. He could have came that night. He still could have played.
Speaker 2:So she had the baby was fully delivered already.
Speaker 1:Yes, in the morning Like before the game started.
Speaker 2:Yes, and he tried to say he couldn't get there because of some weather man, that's bull.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's crazy. Honestly, you should have told me that beforehand I'm going to keep it a bean. No, because, honestly, because I'll keep it a bean. If it was me and I'm playing game one and I'm in Minnesota and you saying the baby's going to come, I'll see you game three when I'm coming back home from game three me, I gotta get this win, I gotta get this championship.
Speaker 1:Niggas been hating on me the entire entirety of my career been calling me trash. Yeah, they won without them, okay, but uh, they've been calling me trash. They've been saying the playoffs is when I get exposed like part of you being a professional athlete is giving the illusion that this is the most important thing, that you're doing, like that's, that's really a part of job as well is to give the illusion that during this time of year, even though you don't even get paid the same because you get paid your money in the regular season the playoffs is a separate game check.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:So, even if you're getting paid differently, like that, it's still on you to give a competitive edge and make sure that people feel like, oh, this is it, you have competitive edge. And make sure that people feel like, oh, this is this is it. You have to sell the game in a way, and for me to just to see that I just knowing how I am about sacrificing and doing things for people like that, like this, is an opportunity to be immortalized. Like you can literally win this championship and be considered one of the greatest he just won defensive player of the year, like your teammates out there need you, and for you to just to do that, I'm just. I'm not with that. That's just me.
Speaker 2:I couldn't do that I mean when you say all that I guess, but like as a woman I still, and it's a white woman. You, you have to stop saying she's a white woman. Why? Why? Because it's going to make me have less sympathy.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying, I'm just saying you know, they're going to make sure she's straight.
Speaker 2:And he's a black man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he's French. She's a white woman, she's already taken care of. But my thing is this A French and a white woman.
Speaker 1:The argument that you would say To me as a black Haitian woman, but the argument you would say, though, would be like oh, what if something happens? What if there's an accident, something? What I'm gonna do? I ain't no doctor, I'm gonna just. You know what they're gonna do if something happens in there. They're gonna say, sir, can you step out of the room for me please? And then there's gonna be. I'm gonna be finger crossed, hoping the doctor can do with what they can. So that's why I just think it's funny when when're like oh, you need to be there For what? I'm not a doctor, you know Especially niggas like that, regular niggas. You got to be there, you got a regular nine to five, you got to be there.
Speaker 2:Okay, you know how, a while ago I was like really sick and I was like throwing up and I was in the bathroom and like there was nothing you could do. And you're like was nothing you could do and you're like what can you do? And I was like nothing, but just stay here like it's. It's like that, like you're the person that I love and I'm going through a very stressful, physical, painful experience and, regardless of the fact that you can do nothing, I just know, I just want to know that you're there and it makes me feel so much better that you're there it gives me you're my person, so it gives me peace that you're there I understand.
Speaker 2:I just I just want to know that you're like at the other side of that wall. But if I made or that like I can hold your hand really quickly and I know that the championship is important and all that, but I'm pregnant and I'm emotional and I don't give a fuck about anything other than like. I want to hold my husband's hand when I'm trying to like, when I'm in pain and my uterus is being ripped apart by this fucking monster baby that you put inside me. This is your fucking fault.
Speaker 1:That's seven foot giant.
Speaker 2:And you're a monstrosity of a man.
Speaker 1:Like you better be here for me. Again, I understand, I am here for you. You know why.
Speaker 2:But that nigga is crazy, because if you could have, if she popped it out, she did skin to skin, you did skin to skin and then you could have made it to the game after that. That's what you should have did.
Speaker 2:And then if you chose to not do that like that's crazy. If you could have had best of both worlds, skin to skin with your baby, supported your wife and then flew back in time to make it for the game and then been there for your team, then you should have did that. But if you chose to just like lay around and cuddle, that's kind of crazy. I'm just saying, isaiah.
Speaker 1:Thomas, thomas. When he played for the Celtics sister died and he played a game. So my nigga you brought life.
Speaker 2:Was it a playoff?
Speaker 1:game. Yes, I think it was the same round, second round. So I'm saying like if he could play a playoff game trying to get a 200 million dollar contract my nigga, you got your contract you could go out play a playoff game trying to get a $200 million contract my nigga, you got your contract, you can go out there and play this game. Your kid was good, your kid is all right. Again, there's different expectations for different men. If you are of a high profile, 1% of men.
Speaker 2:Were they in the same state?
Speaker 1:Oh, he had to go. He was in Denver. Okay, he had to go. The baby was born in Minnesota. He was playing in Denver. He didn't, like I said, he missed it. Well, he missed the game. All right, so let's wrap it up here. Is there anything you want to touch on before we let go? Let everybody go.
Speaker 2:No, there is absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1:All right, we wanted to get into some more stuff, but we'll probably touch on it another time. Maybe some more stuff, but we'll we'll probably touch on it another time. Maybe maybe not, but uh, I want to thank y'all for listening to us.
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